Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Bill Stoneberg said: I have ordered a new tank (a 63 Riviera tank with modifications to the neck) and sender for the very reason we are putting new Holley in-tank pump in. Help keeps the pump cooler and no vapor lock. Rob has an external pump, and he wants one too. He has had issues in the summer with vapor lock with the Riviera. Am I remembering you are going EFI? NO "vapor lock" with that. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Bill Stoneberg said: I have ordered a new tank (a 63 Riviera tank with modifications to the neck) and sender for the very reason we are putting new Holley in-tank pump in. Help keeps the pump cooler and no vapor lock. Rob has an external pump, and he wants one too. He has had issues in the summer with vapor lock with the Riviera. Am I remembering you are going EFI? NO "vapor lock" with that. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Bill Stoneberg said: I have ordered a new tank (a 63 Riviera tank with modifications to the neck) and sender for the very reason we are putting new Holley in-tank pump in. Help keeps the pump cooler and no vapor lock. Rob has an external pump, and he wants one too. He has had issues in the summer with vapor lock with the Riviera. Am I remembering you are going EFI? NO "vapor lock" with that. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, NTX5467 said: Is that internal pump assy rated for "carb" of "EFI" pressure? Just curious, NTX5467 EFI. about 60 PSI.... We are putting a Holley Sniper in. Edited October 15, 2021 by Bill Stoneberg (see edit history) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 Had a fun time today… no working on the car, at least the Electra. Friends had a car show at their restaurant today and both Rob and I drove over to it. He took his 64 Riviera and I drove my 80 Coupe De Ville. Show was nice, no early cars. We had lunch and then headed for my house which is about 90 miles or so through the hill country of Texas. Best part was that we traded cars. I know his Riviera very well as I was the previous owner. But he has made changes that made it feel like a different car. One, he we was able to get the seat moved back so I was comfortable in the car. Amazing what a difference that made. It wasn’t bad before and didn’t stop me from driving the car, but it’s much more comfortable for this fat boy now. Two he has done engine and accessory work. A different cam that breathes better and gives more torque. EFI and a better exhaust makes the car sound better and run better. Anyway, it was a fun drive for both of us as he enjoyed the trade too. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 Sit right down folks and let me tell you the tale of the rear axle. After pulling the rear wheels and drums, one brake shoe was soaked in grease. Rob thought the axle seal was leaking and that he was going to have to pull the axle and bearings. After much investigation, he discovered our friend and nemesis RTV. Yes, a prior repair repair person strikes again with his tube of RTV. Bernie, you wondered what else was stuck on, we found something. The fool used Sooo much RTV he literally blocked the oil drain back hole for the bearing and retainer. See oil passes through the bearings and then drains to that little pocket chamber in the retaining plate and down through the hold into the lower part of the axle tube. He blocked it off with 4 tons of RTV So it just built up into a greasy like congealed crud from heat and then oozed out all over the brakes. So a new axle gaskets and seals and we should be able to stop the leak without RTV. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 That's a worse use of RTV than the previous "worst use" I know about. The prior worst use was from a friend at work, ages ago. Chevy had a warehouse clearance on small block 400 short blocks. I sold three of them to co-workers. One used some old 283 cyl heads on his, using clear RTV as valve cover gaskets. Seems that he used enough to sqish out into the valve springs when everything was tightened down. Valve spring dampers, external, it seems! We all got a good laugh out of that, as we shook our heads. But the same guy rebuilt a Varialble Venturi carb on a Ford LTD trade-in and it worked the first time. FWIW. Glad you found the reason the Electra didn't stop as well as it could have! Take care, NTX5467 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Sealed is sealed. 🤦 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 There is no greater pleasure than working on a car and find that you are the first visitor to a mechanical location. I put a new bearing in mine a few years ago. That little rubber sealing ring around the outside of the bearing may have caused the RTV solution to spawn. If you showed your findings to the previous tinkerer I bet the first two words would be "I thought". The two most dangerous words in the English language. Imagine how many times you have heard them and what happened right before they were uttered. A toast from my Irish bardic ancestors: "May your problems be small ones and ne'er distraught. So you can always smile when the man says "I thought." 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 22 hours ago, 60FlatTop said: There is no greater pleasure than working on a car and find that you are the first visitor to a mechanical location. Although I appreciate being 'the first', I actually get more satisfaction from returning something to it's original state following failure induced all, or in part, by someone else's supposed 'repair'. So, I find Bill's axle seal repair story very pleasing... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) The new gas tank came. Some cutting on the neck to get it behind the license plate and it will be set. Nobody makes a tank for the Electra but a 63-64 Riviera tank will fit with some modifications. The tank is correct, it is the filler neck that needs some modifications. Edited October 19, 2021 by Bill Stoneberg (see edit history) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD1956 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Can the neck from the old tank be removed and installed in the new tank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 hours ago, JohnD1956 said: Can the neck from the old tank be removed and installed in the new tank? Yes, that is the plan….. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37_Roadmaster_C Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I really like this thread. I am learning about a whole lot of things that will help me as I begin to get my 60 back on the road. Bill, where did you get the replacement tank from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 5 hours ago, 37_Roadmaster_C said: Bill, where did you get the replacement tank from? I found its on Ebay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/352659955049?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D38f961c391c04669b17710ada1666c84%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D352659955049%26itm%3D352659955049%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A9f4530fa-3171-11ec-8dc4-6ef3c922102b|parentrq%3A9c74a05717c0aaecb52477defff925c8|iid%3A1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 14 hours ago, 37_Roadmaster_C said: really like this thread. I am learning about a whole lot of things t Yeah, Like how happy I am that I dropped my '60 Electra off for a transmission rebuild the Tuesday of Good Friday week and picked it up the following Wednesday all done. I'm not much for naming cars, but if I was. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 23 hours ago, 60FlatTop said: Yeah, Like how happy I am that I dropped my '60 Electra off for a transmission rebuild the Tuesday of Good Friday week and picked it up the following Wednesday all done. It would be nice to be able to do that. All the transmission shops, even the one that have been around forever, just laughed at me when I told them it was a dynaflow. Anyway more cleaning, scraping and blasting is going on. I thought we had all the parts we need, but that wasn't the case. So more parts are ordered and more parts are on the way. Before and after pictures. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Jack Sparks , from out in Santo, had his 1953 Dynaflow rebuilt in Fort Worth. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 I see the wheel cylinder is not with the cleaned parts. If you are planning to put new ones in buy local and take a fitting with you to test the threads. Some real poor thread tapping is coming off those ocean ships. You might consider having your original ones sleeved. Hydro-E does a great job with fast turn around. And I think the quality of the castings on the original is much higher. Sleeved and rebuilt or old stock with new rubber would be preferred in that order. , Whatever you decide be wary of parts that come in plain brown boxes. Just kidding about the "one more thing" but that is the main reason I farmed mine out. I knew if I took the rearend and transmission out I would be under there for at least two years doing just one more 10 minute job. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 Its been a while here... We had to wait on some parts and then travel for work got in the way. Hoping that we get some things done over this weekend. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 Finally got the parts and work has somewhat slowed down for Rob. Back end is almost done. Brakes and axel is back together and now he is replacing the gas tank. The dont make a tank for that car but a 1st gen Riviera tank fits with some modifications. Basically you cut the filler neck off the old one and replace the new one with it. If your tank is rusty and crusty its a good replacement. Considering we are putting a in tank Fuel Pump in for EFI we thought it was a good idea. It fit right in..... Now to put the pump in. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 On 12/14/2021 at 1:04 PM, Bill Stoneberg said: Finally got the parts and work has somewhat slowed down for Rob. Back end is almost done. Brakes and axel is back together and now he is replacing the gas tank. The dont make a tank for that car but a 1st gen Riviera tank fits with some modifications. Basically you cut the filler neck off the old one and replace the new one with it. If your tank is rusty and crusty its a good replacement. Considering we are putting a in tank Fuel Pump in for EFI we thought it was a good idea. It fit right in..... Now to put the pump in. Good to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted January 5, 2022 Author Share Posted January 5, 2022 Back to work on the car after having company and work all through the holidays. Cut another hole in the tank and put in the Holley in tank fuel pump. Put in a new sender that will be used for the gas gauge. Closed off the other inlets and outlets on the sender unit. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) More work on the gas tank and pump. With the in tank pump, the head of the pump runs into the trunk floor. So, to do any type of repair or work on the in tank pump, you would have to drain the tank and then remove it. Not our idea of fun..... So we decided to cut the trunk and build a access panel under the wasted space by the spare tire. This way, we can do anything we need on the pump including replacing it. Edited January 21, 2022 by Bill Stoneberg (see edit history) 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Now that you've done that, it'll never fail... 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Those wires on the pump appear to be 14 gauge but run at least 12 gauge back to the pump you would be surprised at how much voltage drop you get running 14 gauge. All pumps back at the tank or in the tank will last much longer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD1956 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Will there be a seal for that port? Wouldn't want to hear about how the car ran fantastic but you and the Missus were impacted by the CO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 John D. We thought about sealing the port but we decided that we will carry a Canary in the car with us to keep track of the air and also to tell us if we are going to die:-) Here are some more pictures after we had sealed it up. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 A '60 Electra 4 door hardtop? That's like my wife and I worrying about ventilation in our 1853 gable and wing farmhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 A rainy and cold weekend (at least we didnt get mega snow) and Rob got some lines run. No help from me as I am avoiding Austin (and friends) till the infection rate slows down. But the lines are now run from the pump to the firewall and all new brake lines are run too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRiv_63 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Bill Stoneberg said: A rainy and cold weekend (at least we didnt get mega snow) and Rob got some lines run. No help from me as I am avoiding Austin (and friends) till the infection rate slows down. But the lines are now run from the pump to the firewall and all new brake lines are run too. What material are you using for the lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, TexRiv_63 said: What material are you using for the lines? Ni cop #6 fuel line….. Edited February 1, 2022 by Bill Stoneberg (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 And I forgot, we got pre bent stainless tubing from Inline tube for all the brake lines. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 It was a Fuel & Brake Line weekend. Got the fuel lines all attached to the frame and ran all the Brake lines. Not a lot of fun but now all we need to do is bleed the brakes and the car will stop. Plus that section will be done. Most of the lines came pre bent from Inline Tube. They fit well. We had to make the master cyliner lines as we went with a dual pot master Cylinder. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Do think you will finish in time for Lisle, Bill? Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 21 hours ago, Ben Bruce aka First Born said: Do think you will finish in time for Lisle, Bill? Ben I am sure trying Ben. I grew up in that area and it will be good to go back and see what it is like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Lookin' good! NTX5467 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 What the heck is that little 'bead chain' that appears to be hanging from the torque converter...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted February 9, 2022 Author Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 hours ago, EmTee said: What the heck is that little 'bead chain' that appears to be hanging from the torque converter...? Its to to turn the shift light on like you see in drag race cars 🙂 Seriously, I cant answer that question at the moment. I will take a look this weekend while I am at the car and let you know. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, EmTee said: What the heck is that little 'bead chain' that appears to be hanging from the torque converter...? Pull chain. Shuts off the interior light. It is in the manual. Edited February 9, 2022 by avgwarhawk (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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