Period RACE CAR Images to Relieve some of the Stress

[1937hd45]

Another clipping from the H.D. Carpenter scrapbook. Bob 

[1937hd45]

38 minutes ago, AHa said:

Which Buick was chain driven, if I may be so bold as to ask?

 The first one in 1905 and the following 2 cylinder models. 

[MrEarl]

 

a favorite

 

 

 

 

 

[MrEarl]

 

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[AHa]

Can anybody tell me why these race cars smoked so bad.

[MrEarl]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MrEarl]

 

 

 

 

 

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[MrEarl]

 

 

 

[AHa]

This car looks to be underslung. Can anybody confirm?

[1937hd45]

1909 Sport Hill Hillclimb 1909 Burman in a Buick. 

 

 

Bob 

[1937hd45]

Model N,R, or S Ford in the 1909 Sport Hill Hillclimb in Easton, Ct. 

[1937hd45]

Locomobile at the 1909 Sport Hill Hillclimb

[1937hd45]

Maxwell at the 1909 Sport Hill hillclimb

[Steve Moskowitz]

Bob, absolutely!  It originally was designed I believe to shoot out smoke.  I forgot the entire story as I rad it years ago and too many brain cells have been destroyed but this was the one and only car to have the large rocket on the side. 

[Larry Schramm]

11 hours ago, AHa said:

Which Buick was chain driven, if I may be so bold as to ask?

 

All of the 2 cylinder Buicks from 1903 - 1910.  This includes passenger cars and the 2A truck.

 

Bonus answer, they used #80 chain.

[Steven Meixner]

The Buick Model 14 was dual chain drive. These were made in 1910-11. It used #60 chain. 

[1937hd45]

The FWD MILLER, think this was at Pikes Peak, car is restored today. 

 

Bob 

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[AHa]

Let me change my question. What model Buick is this? This is not a model C, or F, or G or model 14 or model 5. I had understood that Buick used model 16 chassis for racing but I'm not aware of any chain drive model 16s. I am told one guy raced a model 43 prolifically. Is this a model 43?

[1937hd45]

Is it a Buick?

[MrEarl]

 

51 minutes ago, AHa said:

Let me change my question. What model Buick is this? This is not a model C, or F, or G or model 14 or model 5. I had understood that Buick used model 16 chassis for racing but I'm not aware of any chain drive model 16s. I am told one guy raced a model 43 prolifically. Is this a model 43?

 

24 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said:

Is it a Buick?

 

 

You can see the word Buick under the front axle and here is the caption displayed underneath the original referenced photo  Arthur Chevrolet and riding mechanic in Buick racer Arthur drove in the first Indianapolis 500, 1911

 

and the Indianapolis 500 race results show Arthur not finishing the race due to mechanical problems.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_Indianapolis_500

 

if not a Buick perhaps the wrong picture was used. The driver certainly looks like Arthur Chevrolet to me though

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[MrEarl]

The  questionable #3  "Buick" again.

 

 

Racers line up for the start of the first Indy 500, May 30, 1911.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[MrEarl]

I am finding conflicting info on the #3 Buick. Another blog I follow identifies the car as a Marquette-Buick and it having been ran in the Vanderbilt Cup race in Oct of 1910.

 

 

During the 8th lap of the 22-lap race, the chain broke on the Marquette-Buick. Out of the race, Arthur collapsed in despair, finishing 27th of the 30 entries.

[1937hd45]

If car #1 is a CASE and car #2 is a Simplex, and car #4 is a National chances are very good that this is the INDY 500 in 1911. Therefore car #3 is most likely an INTER- STATE, driven by Harry Endicott

[1937hd45]

Arthur Chevrolet drove this BUICK to 36th place in the 1911 INDY 500, listed as car # 16.

 

Bob 

[MrEarl]

2 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

Is it a Buick?

 

Further searching finds this to be  "The Great Marquette-Buick" that I spoke of earlier and was driven by Arthur at Savannah as well as in the first Indianapolis 500. The Marquette-Buick 100's ran 594 ci engines with huge 6" pistons.

Edited May 5, 2020 by MrEarl (see edit history)

[AHa]

If this is a Buick, and I'm not saying it ain't, then it is not a production model. To my knowledge, all of the larger size production cars used shaft drive. What are the advantages/disadvantages of shaft drive? I know most if not all earlier large displacement cars used chain drive but by 1910, most had switched to shaft drive. Why would Buick build a special chain drive racer in 1910/11?

 

 

[AHa]

Mr Earl,

Can you post any further information concerning the Great Marquette Buick? I've seen pictures of the car before but am unfamiliar with it. Am I correct in assuming it was made by Marquette, or was it made by Buick for Marquette, or under license?

[MrEarl]

19 minutes ago, AHa said:

Mr Earl,

Can you post any further information concerning the Great Marquette Buick? I've seen pictures of the car before but am unfamiliar with it. Am I correct in assuming it was made by Marquette, or was it made by Buick for Marquette, or under license?

This may help. 

 

 

Apparently one had to keep a close eye on ol Billy Durant.

 

 

 

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[MrEarl]

Some further explanation of these hot rod Marquette-Buicks can be found in an article by Terry Dunham "Something Wicked this Way Comes,  Buick Race Cars From Hell" in the   Antique Automobile September-October 2002

[MrEarl]

 

[MrEarl]

My wife is from Savannah and with her brother still living there we visit often. On one visit we visited the Savannah Race Track museum and drove over part of the course including some winding roadway along Laroache Avenue and Isle of Hope and a long straightaway down Ferguson Ave.

 

 

 

A couple of great books on the Savannah Races

 

 

 

Cruisin down the race way  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[MrEarl]

Buicks and the The Great Savannah Races

 

 

 

Note the two mofidied/underslungs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Ben Bruce aka First Born]

3 hours ago, MrEarl said:

Some further explanation of these hot rod Marquette-Buicks can be found in an article by Terry Dunham "Something Wicked this Way Comes,  Buick Race Cars From Hell" in the   Antique Automobile September-October 2002

 

 WOW. What a read.  

 

  Ben

[Steve Moskowitz]

I know it is a pace car not a race car but Lamar has been doing so many Buick posts (they are GREAT) I had to add some Olds stuff in a hurry.  Have a ton of Oldsmobile 8 X 10's here in my file.  This is one of my favorite pace cars from Olds!

[MrEarl]

 

 

4 hours ago, Steve Moskowitz said:

I know it is a pace car not a race car but Lamar has been doing so many Buick posts (they are GREAT) I had to add some Olds stuff in a hurry.  Have a ton of Oldsmobile 8 X 10's here in my file.  This is one of my favorite pace cars from Olds!

 

I’ll see your Olds pace car and raise you a Buick

🤣

 

 

[Steve Moskowitz]

Lamar, 

 

I have that bet covered!  I'd post a picture of Linda Vaughn , Miss Hurst Golden Shifter with an Oldsmobile Pace car but it might send this thread down the wrong avenue!  

[MrEarl]

On 5/5/2020 at 12:47 AM, 1937hd45 said:

1909 Sport Hill Hillclimb 1909 Burman in a Buick. 

 

 

Bob 

 

 

 

Lewis Strang also performed well in a Buick in the Chattanooga free for all hill climb in '09. Louis Chevrolet also in a Buick, had the "best time" but was disqualified in the main event

 

 

 

 

The Lookout Mountain Hill Climb was held on April 22, 1909. Organized by the newly formed Lookout Mountain Autombile Club, it placed Lookout Mountain at the forefront of the public eye. Huge crowds flocked to watch the nation’s top drivers, the city’s banks and businesses closed, and it was declared a local holiday.

The 4.9-mile uphill course, which ran from the foot of Lookout Mountain to the newly completed Lookout Mountain Boulevard at the summit, featured a total of 65 turns, including  three “Ws,” a double “S,” and a “hairpin” curve. Many bluffs were cut away to widen the road, and heavy fences were placed at danger points.

It should be noted that these races were not for the faint of heart. Hill climbers did not “guide” their cars around sharp turns; they skidded around them at speeds of 50 to 60 miles per hour! Fortunately, there were no serious accidents – only two derailments, and both drivers managed to hang on for their lives. Driver Louis Doerhoff shot into a ditch at the hairpin turn where he and his mechanic were thrown out in front of the large crowd (they were painfully bruised, but otherwise unharmed).

The fastest time was made by none other than Louis Chevrolet, who completed the ascent in 6 minutes and 30 seconds at dusk. The famed Frenchman drew admiration on all sides, for the victory came only after two accidents, one broken wheel and one blown tire (these misfortunes disqualified him as the official winner since it took three attempts to reach the summit).   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[MrEarl]

another airplane vs car "race"  Louis Chevrolet in his #16 Frontenac

 

 

 

[Uncle_Buck]

Hurry, while the spot is still available below this post for that picture of Linda Vaughn,  Miss Hurst !! 🤗

 

8 hours ago, Steve Moskowitz said:

Lamar, 

 

I have that bet covered!  I'd post a picture of Linda Vaughn , Miss Hurst Golden Shifter with an Oldsmobile Pace car but it might send this thread down the wrong avenue!  

 

[twin6]

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