Period images to relieve some of the stress

[nzcarnerd]

3 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

Thanks John, I've never see this photo of the car. Summer of 1971 or 1972 it arrived at the shop I worked at after setting a new World's Record for a car sold at auction. As the side door of the Passport truck opened I turned to a coworker and askes "Were do you find $65,000. to spend on a car?" The car went out west for a full restoration that allowed it to win Best in Show at Pebble Beach, today it is the center piece in the Mullin Collection. Bob 

 

From what I was told when I visited a restoration shop in Vermont a few years ago that did some Bugattis, that $65,000 could have two more zeroes added to it nowadays.

[TG57Roadmaster]

1931 Chrysler Imperial CG Victoria by Waterhouse in the Chrysler Building showroom, NYC...One of six built.

 

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[TG57Roadmaster]

1 minute ago, TG57Roadmaster said:

1931 Chrysler Imperial CG Victoria by Waterhouse in the Chrysler Building showroom, NYC...One of six built.

 

 

Below, chassis # CG 3843 after its restoration, at St. John's in 2011. A full description with copious pictures from its sale follows...

 

 

 

Some will remember seeing the '31 Waterhouse Victoria at Hershey in 2017...

https://hymanltd.com/vehicles/5977-1931-chrysler-cg-imperial-waterhouse-victoria/?fbclid=IwAR0Hp9ODiiARAuII9_Lp1_xvhepR6_zit4TCFU9csLqVJWUaJvClEAXVdzs

 

TG

 

[John_Mereness]

15 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

Inboard headlights??????

Auto Show or what would be considered a prototype or series of prototype cars.  Picture was supposedly related to 1935 Detroit Auto Show for 1936 Model Year. 

 

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[John_Mereness]

9 hours ago, TG57Roadmaster said:

1931 Chrysler Imperial CG Victoria by Waterhouse in the Chrysler Building showroom, NYC...One of six built.

 

 

 

 

And in a Packard:

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From AACA Forum Member jcrow

 

Looking through some old photos I have. Marmon 16 on SF street in early 1950's.

 

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From AACA Forum Member STuTZ693   - 1924 photo taken in São Paulo Brazil - Studebaker

 

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From AACA Forum Member   Dave McC - 1916 Stutz

 

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From AACA Forum Member db34

 

[md murray]

32 minutes ago, John_Mereness said:

 

 

 

And in a Packard:

Is that dark colored top material they used in restoring that Chrysler CG copacetic? It certainly changes the look of the car from as originally presented quite a bit. 

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From AACA Member reachme

 

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From AACA Forum Member Combed Avenger - 1921-1924 Stutz

 

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From AACA Forum Member jrjones1956

 

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From AACA Forum Member pmdolan

 

 

 

From AACA Forum Member: A. Ballard 35R

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From AACA Forum Member thomaslang

 

 

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From AACA Forum Member William Dougherty - 1931 Franklin 153 Dietrich Speedster Convertible Sedan  (The pilot on the left is Alberto Honore Santa Maria, the airplane is a ca. 1920 U.S. Army Air Corps Douglas O2-H. Santa Maria flew Sopwith Camels for the RCAF in WW I. He owned a Cord dealership in Ardmore, PA, that went bankrupt in the depression.)

 

And Eddie Hawks ???

 

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[John_Mereness]

The "Pirate" thing started a little earlier in time in 1929.  I assume it was called a "pirate" as it broke the norm in automotive styling via door design over runningboards. 

 

I found this recently on the Franklin Automobile Enthusiasts page of Facebook

 

“El Pirata” from Dietrich. Extract from the ACN article July 77#70 p.4 by William H. Schemel who interviewed Mr. Dietrich then in his 80’s
About the El Pirata project...”The entire project was accomplished by Mr. Dietrich just to sell his styling designs to Mr. Franklin. After this had been accomplished, the automobile was displayed at several automobile shows until it was finally sold in 1929. A personal friend of Mr. Franklin, W.L. Augustine of Canada, purchased the car after he saw it in the New York Auto Show. He immediately had the car painted jet black, removed the rear fender skirts and fitted the car with regular 1929 wire wheels. Even with this comparatively drab appearance, the automobile continued to cause a great sensation In Canada.
In a matter of a few weeks of arrival in Montreal, the car was stolen from it from in front of a theatre where Mr. Augustine was enjoying the show, while the vandals were enjoying his car. The following day the car was found wrecked and completely burnt out. The identity of the joy riders as well as their real intentions remains a mystery. Truly and unfitting end for the original ”El Pirata”.

In Montréal the translated newspaper ad reads: “ A $1000 Reward will be paid for any information related to the destruction by fire of this car in St-Jérôme (north of Montreal, Québec, Ca). On December 2nd, 1929.
This Franklin Car with a special body was stolen out of Montreal on the same day.
All communications will be kept in strict confidence.
(A. Audette transl. 2019)

The same ACN article reads:
« In the fall of 1927 Ray Dietrich purchased a chassis from the Franklin Motor Car Co. and had it shipped to Detroit. He had for several years considered running boards as ugly dirt catchers which made it difficult to keep the interior of the car clean. He also knew Mr. Franklin‘s background quite well and theorize that Mr. Franklin would be receptive to a rather radical design which would not even be considered by some of the more conservative big names corporations that he was designing for, like Lincoln and Packard.
Over the next 4 to 6 months, spanning the end of 1927 and the start of 1928 he designed and built a sedan that had large doors that flared out at the bottom and concealed both the frame and the running boards. The front fenders had a crown that was brought up to a little crest at the tip. They were wider than the body and brought in just ahead of the front doors in the bobbed fashion. The back of the car was straight across but had a gentle curve over the rear wheels that provided space for a small enclosed luggage compartment. The wheels had large disk covers and the rear wheels were almost completely concealed by full fender skirts decorated with stylized spears resembling the louvres on the hood. The grill had a rather narrow shell that surrounded automatically regulated shutter bars which controlled the air intake into engine compartment. The long, narrow hood had horizontally placed louvers that were spaced so as to conform with the contour of the fenders, giving a hint of the forward rush so typical of Franklin’s ability on the road. The louvers, designed for a strictly mechanical function, also served an artistic decorative purpose. The slender trimness of the hood was capped by the piercing rifle-sight mounting of the coxcomb crest at its tip and was flanked by twin spare tired mounted in front fender wells. The headlights were large Ryan lights and the tail light was flared out from the rear deck, having three lenses for break, tail and back-up lights.
There was also a streamlined triangular courtesy light that shone forward from the rear quarter when the door was open. The entire body was finished in highly polished aluminum paint, satin aluminum fittings and trimmed in doll gold. »

 

Update:  

 

André Audette Just found that W. Augustine owned the agency MARMON MONTREAL MOTORS LIMITED.
Marmon & Roosevelt Motor Cars On 3437-3445 Park Avenue

 

 

 

 

Rare Glimpse of Franklin Pirate Sedan at Chicago Auto Show 1929 Coliseum

 

 

 

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A Parade Assembly for Lindberg

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I was saying this week that I would like to see more photos from 1932 Chicago Auto Salon;

 

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A great photo that popped up last year

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A great photo from alsancle 

 

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Also from alsancle 

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And also from alsancle 

 

[John_Mereness]

Also from  alsancle  - as a sidnote:  I was over at Bill Bools (now deceased) house one year and he was showing me a set of Convertible Victoria doors and asked me if they were from this car - the belt molding and colors description I recall appeared to be a  match the auto show description - a 1931 Franklin 153 

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1929 Franklin with coachwork by Locke

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