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Tuxedo, New York the coupe at center is a 1928 Chrysler Imperial 80 with a body by LeBaron, a Ford sedan is to it's immediate left and at the edge of the photo on the right a Packard.

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Great picture, love the dented fender.  Brings back memories of when I 
"dented" my grandfather's '39 Chevy right front fender.  We were threshing oats on a farm and grandpa parked his '39 too close.  I drove an Allis-Chalmers tractor pulling a hay wagon with a load of bundles for the threshing machine.  As I pulled the wagon into position for feeding bundles into the thresher I saw grandpa on top of the separator jumping up and down -- he had his hair on fire about something.  Boy, somebody was in big trouble.  I knew is wasn't me because I was 'pretty sure' I had enough clearance to get the hay wagon into position past grandpa's car.  It didn't take long before my dad was running interference between me and his dad.  The corner of my hay wagon pushed in a huge crease of the fender and it was tight against the tire.  As I fed bundles of oats into the thresher dad was busy hammering the dent away from the tire so the car could be driven out of the work area.  It was one of those funny things that we didn't laugh about when grandpa wasn't around. 

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Renault 45 HP Reinastella ( note the star just above the emblem on the hood) The Reinastella was the largest series Renault made, there were three other series/models available on shorter wheelbases with smaller capacity engines.  . Car dates from ca. 1929 but photo was taken in Maine in 1937. Note the Marchal headlamps . Absolutely huge cars that you never see in person, even in Europe. Most of the larger Renaults that were imported to the USA were sold out of their New York City sales showroom and came in minus coachwork. Were fitted with bodies built here in the USA. Another story that needs to be told with period images and photographs to record the connection of Renault in the USA prior to WWII- I have all the period sales literature, instruction book, and photographs to do that . The big Renaults were like ocean liners on wheels.........

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Craig, yes Renault had a selling agent in NY City very early as did most European cars ( De Dion Buton was especially popular) The larger horsepower chassis made in Europe came over as race cars to compete in the Vanderbilt Cup races because of the publicity that they could garner even if they didn't win . New York City had the deep water ports along the Hudson River for steam ship ocean liners to tie up to and their hulls were filled with goods.

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7 minutes ago, Walt G said:

Craig, yes Renault had a selling agent in NY City very early as did most European cars ( De Dion Buton was especially popular) The larger horsepower chassis made in Europe came over as race cars to compete in the Vanderbilt Cup races because of the publicity that they could garner even if they didn't win . New York City had the deep water ports along the Hudson River for steam ship ocean liners to tie up to and their hulls were filled with goods.

I was just reading a book on New York City's Transit system, and they purchased 15 DeDion double-deck buses in 1905, and soon increased their fleet to 132 units, which replaced all the horse-drawn conveyances.  The received more buses from Daimler in England not long after.

 

I wonder if any still survive.

 

Craig 

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I know of none of the DeDion or Daimler buses that survive from that era. The only NY city buses I knew of that survived were later - pre war but in the 1930s. Austin Clark had several of them, one he bought in the Bronx , the upper borough of Manhattan in the 1950s and wanted to get it back to his auto museum in Southampton, NY at the eastern end of long island about 100+ miles away . This was in an era when there were many less bridges to long island from the main part of NY and transporting a double deck 5th Avenue coach bus that distance was nearly impossible. No one wanted to haul it. SO because it was in good condition and running well Austin DROVE IT from the Bronx to Southampton, once over the Whitestone Bridge he made his way to Rt 27 east ( there was no long island Expressway. and took his time ( it was not a fast bus being a double decker) and made it to the museum. I can't imagine anyone doing that then , much less now!!! It would be like landing a tri motor Ford or a bi plane airplane at Kennedy airport.

One of the buses Austin had ( he had several double deck 5th Ave. coach buses) wound up decades later going to Harrah's to be restored, repowered to use at their museum. Harrah's under the direction of my buddy Paul Larios had to have a crew come out and buy limber to wrap the bus in for its trip to Reno. They had to take the second deck off so it and the first deck/chassis could be fitted to a flat bed .  I went out and Paul and I had lunch and looked at the project. Austin was happy, so was Bill Harrah and Paul not so much with the project.

I have to many stories , most of which would not fit in a post here, and most of the stories about activity that Austin and I got into were legal too! mostly, sort of.

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This 1938 Lincoln Zephyr sedan was bought new by my grandfather who traded in his 1929 model L Lincoln sedan . the location of the photograph is his backyard in Floral Park, NY and in the background is the north end property of Belmont Park race track, a horse race track that is the third leg of the annual Triple Crown race . That is 500+ feet of 150+ year old white oak trees in the race track - they are still there , and I only live about 100 feet away from where this photo was taken.

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I will; leave this one for all of you to guess what make of car it is and what city it may be in. the back of the photo states written in ink via a fountain pen " Sporting type body with disappearing top. Undeniably good looking but quite uncomfortable. Notice absence of running boards and peculiar shaped mudguards with no aprons". Only hint I can give is that the photo was taken just prior to or just after WWI and the comment on the back was by a well known automotive editor of the time ( who many would not recognize the name of now) .

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The car is a Lancia and year is probably correct - do not have the exact year. I do not know their models for that era. Location is New York Central Park, and photo came from the archives of John Jay Ide who was a very well known automotive journalist in that era. If you look at the higher end motoring magazines of that era his name is seen often.

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7 hours ago, Walt G said:

Renault 45 HP Reinastella ( note the star just above the emblem on the hood) The Reinastella was the largest series Renault made, there were three other series/models available on shorter wheelbases with smaller capacity engines.  . Car dates from ca. 1929 but photo was taken in Maine in 1937. Note the Marchal headlamps . Absolutely huge cars that you never see in person, even in Europe. Most of the larger Renaults that were imported to the USA were sold out of their New York City sales showroom and came in minus coachwork. Were fitted with bodies built here in the USA. Another story that needs to be told with period images and photographs to record the connection of Renault in the USA prior to WWII- I have all the period sales literature, instruction book, and photographs to do that . The big Renaults were like ocean liners on wheels.........

RENAULTmaine1937001.jpg


I always liked these big ugly things after I found one in a barn back when I was still in school. Large doesn’t accurately describe these land yachts...........I found an open car.....and had no chance of coming up with the money. Here is the car today......if I’m not mistaken......feel fairly sure it is the actual car.

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The big Renaults are a favorite of mine too! They are dinosaurs and seldom seen even when new, most people on this side of the pond even know they ever existed . I repeat : they are ocean liners with wheels. Let me see if I can come up with a few more images of them of that era ( more stuff to look up - why do I keep doing this ? because its fun and its odd ) .  Besides the period photographs and sales catalogs I have one of the diamond shaped emblems for the front of the hood sitting in my study.  

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8 hours ago, Walt G said:

The only NY city buses I knew of that survived were later - pre war but in the 1930s. Austin Clark had several of them, one he bought in the Bronx , the upper borough of Manhattan in the 1950s and wanted to get it back to his auto museum in Southampton, NY at the eastern end of long island about 100+ miles away . This was in an era when there were many less bridges to long island from the main part of NY and transporting a double deck 5th Avenue coach bus that distance was nearly impossible. No one wanted to haul it. SO because it was in good condition and running well Austin DROVE IT from the Bronx to Southampton, once over the Whitestone Bridge he made his way to Rt 27 east ( there was no long island Expressway. and took his time ( it was not a fast bus being a double decker) and made it to the museum. I can't imagine anyone doing that then , much less now!!! It would be like landing a tri motor Ford or a bi plane airplane at Kennedy airport.

One of the buses Austin had ( he had several double deck 5th Ave. coach buses) wound up decades later going to Harrah's to be restored, repowered to use at their museum. Harrah's under the direction of my buddy Paul Larios had to have a crew come out and buy limber to wrap the bus in for its trip to Reno. They had to take the second deck off so it and the first deck/chassis could be fitted to a flat bed .  I went out and Paul and I had lunch and looked at the project. Austin was happy, so was Bill Harrah and Paul not so much with the project.

I have to many stories , most of which would not fit in a post here, and most of the stories about activity that Austin and I got into were legal too! mostly, sort of.

It would be a interesting story to read.

 

The 5th Avenue double-deck coach bodies were rather exclusive to NYC being built on a Yellow Coach chassis.   

 

Craig

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Merry Christmas to you to Bob and all the others whose eyes glance here. It is my great pleasure to share what I have managed to collect for my library and archives. I have been very very fortunate to have known people /friends who not only educated me on what existed " in the era" but were also my ears and eyes to find things, or perhaps do a trade so we could both have new /old items for our collections. I am not a "hoarder" since I was a teacher for decades and am the local historian ( Mayor and Trustees of the village still tolerate me and keep reappointing me ) my great satisfaction is to share what I know exists . I have done this forever - long ago when Bill Harrah had a full time staff restoring cars I would exchange information, provide information to make sure the restorations were correct.  Bill and Austin Clark were buddies that shared the passion - them on a much larger scale of course! Heck, Bill and I would spend a week together at the annual Franklin meet in central NY state, and until I got my own Franklin on the road one of the 4 cars he would have hauled out to the event would be my 'set of wheels' for that week. It was my greatest pleasure to hand him the keys to my Derham bodied victoria the first year I had it at the Franklin meet and look him in the eye and say " here it's your turn to drive one of my cars". He and I would walk the fields at Hershey looking for "stuff" .

It is the natural  passion and dedication that we all have for "used cars" be they 100+ or 30 years old that keeps our spirits up, especially in the current times we live in. We can still keep that spirit alive because of these wonderful AACA forums and the exchanges we can make.

May all of you have a great new year, and I say that with all sincerity.

WG

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Many bodies built in the USA by American coach builders were fitted to European chassis, and the coach builders in NY City or within a fairly close proximity were also busy doing this ( Fleetwood, etc) . Before the Great Depression European cars - running chassis , complete with a firewall, dashboard, radiator, possibly a hood, perhaps headlamps were imported by the many sales agents for European cars in NY City. If the cars came in with no coachwork they were taxed far less then complete cars! Were not considered a complete vehicle and there I believe, was a very slight less tax if the cars were complete but the bodies were built by American owned companies that were located in Europe ( have to relocate the reference I saw about this) like Hibbard & Darrin.

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15 hours ago, LCK81403 said:

No idea where there photo is from, but the the iden says it is a 1924 Renault.  It does look like a brute.  Proportionally the hood looks like it houses a straight 16 cylinder engine.

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A large portion of what is under the hood is "radiator" 

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12 hours ago, jeff_a said:

Walt -- here is one of those big Renault dinosaurs that found it's way to the Key Museum, opened in 2015. That's in Izmir, Turkey and has 130 automobiles in it's collection. I believe it's a 1925 40CV.

Izmir Turkey June 2018 View Classical Vehicles Key Museum Has – Stock  Editorial Photo © niglaynike #202810260

 

I took this photo of what I think is the only Renault 40CV in New Zealand in 1980 at the VCC International Rally at Rotorua. As far as I know it is still with the same owner. The black and white photo is the same car ten years earlier, probably when it was shipped to Australia for the big rally that was held there that year.

 

 

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17 hours ago, jeff_a said:

Walt -- here is one of those big Renault dinosaurs that found it's way to the Key Museum, opened in 2015. That's in Izmir, Turkey and has 130 automobiles in it's collection. I believe it's a 1925 40CV.

Izmir Turkey June 2018 View Classical Vehicles Key Museum Has – Stock  Editorial Photo © niglaynike #202810260


Whoever painted that 1934 Pierce Arrow should be shot.........multiple times.

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8 minutes ago, LI_BENTLEY said:

Two Whites top one 1915 or newer bottom one 30 hp 1912/1914 probaly a GAH love the bumper.


The top car is a 4-45 of 15-16 vintage. Most likely a 16 from the cowl. 

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31 minutes ago, edinmass said:

Whoever painted that 1934 Pierce Arrow should be shot.........multiple times.

Ed, they probably were shot - drank to many of them! , and it was cheap whiskey that's why their vision got blurred and they chose the colors they did!

They are the same people who justify any color as correct by stating ( with a superior smirk on their face and a stance/pose of superiority) " for $50 in that time you could have had a car painted any color you wanted "  then they can stamp their foot to note that that action should put an end to the conversation because they indeed are 'experts'  and their words of wisdom should be the final say in the matter.

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