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Walt G

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Gary_Ash

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The Dorothy Patten (Baroness Dorndorf) Peugeot still exists.  It was auctioned by Gooding in 2017.  See https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/peugeot/402/1938/469879

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I also found this post at prewarcar.com about the car:

David Cooper   02 December 2019, 22:04

The Peugeot Darl'mat is now in the US, where it is being restored at my shop, Cooper Technica, Inc., back to the way it was in 1938 when it was purchased by Dorothy Patten and her future husband Baron Rainer Dorndorf. We have found many photos of the car during the years when Dorothy Patten raced it, from 1938-1948. We also have a scrapbook she put together of her racing career with many unpublished photos of the Darl'mat. .This information will be published soon. The car is being repainted in the correct French blue color using nitro-cellulose paint. We also obtained the correct type 402B engine and the larger competition brakes that she had installed in her car. Watch for it in an upcoming Concours d'Elegance.

 

 

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LCK81403

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A question for the gaslight car owners.  How much light, really, did the Prestolite / carbide and the kerosene side lamps provide for night driving?  How good was a red lensed kerosene tail light for avoiding a rear end accident?  I have not owned nor operated an old gas-mobile but I have to wonder what it was like on a dark night without the moon.

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Larry Schramm

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To answer your question simply, sufficient to see ahead and for persons to see you behind.

 

BUT..... the lights are not anywhere near as bright as lights today.  The reason that I say sufficient is because cars that have acetylene usually never went more than say 25 miles/hour.  I know some went faster, but the cars drove slower because the capability of the vehicles other items to consider the roads were primitive which limited speeds, and usually had rear axle brakes only.

 

As the roads got better and the cars became better and faster, the headlights and other lights became better with more lumens and greater reach. 

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Walt G

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It has been a while since I did a tour at night following a gas and brass car but the headlamps did a fair job if it was a clear night and not foggy! tail light was about as effective as a modern bicycle light is with a weak battery.

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PFindlay

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The thing to keep in mind is that there were no street lights and probably not even the "glow" of the city lights that we're used to.  Imagine being way out in the woods or somewhere.  Even a candle is a welcome light source.

 

That said, the headlights are quite bright if you look straight into them so I'd say they were quite good for oncoming traffic.  How far ahead they cast depends on the condition of your reflectors and the adjustment  (and the mud on the lens).  But I'd say they're good to light up the road immediately ahead on one of those dark nights.  Especially at the slower speeds Walt mentioned above.  From reading the old articles and cross-country journals it seems like darkness wasn't anything to be feared.

 

The kerosene lamps don't cast much light but would help others see you.  Same for the tail light.

 

Nowadays when we do our "gaslight tours"  it's usually quite close to the tour hotel and darkness isn't really an issue.  But it's great fun.

 

Here's a picture I took last summer.  Two cars with a motorcycle in the middle.

 

 

 

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LCK81403

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Twin6 posted an interesting photo of an unidentified car.  It's design suggests a runabout-type speedster with a rather long wheelbase.  The rear section of the car could easily make this car a seven-passenger touring.  The general body layout of the front section of the car resembles the Daniels.  The attached photo of a Daniels has been identified on internet as a 1921 model, with Mr. Daniels at the wheel.  The date of 1921 is suspect for what appears to be a prototype / experimental precursor to the Model D-19 of 1921. The third photo does show a known and certified 1921 Daniels D-19 Submarine Speedster.  Study of the probable prototype Daniels speedster shows that Mr. Daniels is crammed into a bucket, knees scrunched under the steering wheel with very little room to operate the foot pedals.  That is not the way to own and operate a speedster and some adjustments would be necessary to make it a saleable product.

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