Walt G 3,770 Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 The Rolls - Royce is a Phantom 1 with body by Hibbard & Darrin and was owned at the time the photo was taken by Ralph Gould of Cape Elizabeth, Maine The coupe is a Hispano -Suiza with what seems to be a body built in the USA , the car behind the H-S that you can see the front of is a 1930 Franklin Airman series 14 roadster with the side curtains and top up. The Hispano - Suiza dealership building in N.Y. City still stands and is no longer a car showroom ( selling H-S cars!) was located a few blocks south of Central Park South, which is the southern most street to border Central Park. More useless information!!!! 5 Link to post Share on other sites
alsancle 5,844 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 37 minutes ago, Walt G said: The Rolls - Royce is a Phantom 1 with body by Hibbard & Darrin and was owned at the time the photo was taken by Ralph Gould of Cape Elizabeth, Maine The coupe is a Hispano -Suiza with what seems to be a body built in the USA , the car behind the H-S that you can see the front of is a 1930 Franklin Airman series 14 roadster with the side curtains and top up. The Hispano - Suiza dealership building in N.Y. City still stands and is no longer a car showroom ( selling H-S cars!) was located a few blocks south of Central Park South, which is the southern most street to border Central Park. More useless information!!!! Awesome! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
1937hd45 3,266 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Walt, None of your comments are "useless" they help paint a picture of life in Manhattan, "Automobile Row" was something my Dad talked about. As the son of a chauffeur he may have had easier access to these dealerships and built quite a collection of sales brochures, sadly it was never saved, WWII got in the way. Bob 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
58L-Y8 2,090 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Here's a better look at that Hispano-Suiza coupe: 1 Link to post Share on other sites
1937hd45 3,266 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 ^^^^^^ The Hisso Coupe looks great, it that a rear mounter spare or something on the car behind it? Bob Link to post Share on other sites
8E45E 1,424 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 14 hours ago, Walt G said: These R-R photographs were taken decades ago, the light colored touring car was dated it was taken on Nov. 11, 1948 and the car was owned at the time by A.H. Kellogg Clarke of Buffalo, NY photo notes on the back say the car is a 1924 Silver Ghost and that 4 wheel servo brakes were added, the dark colored touring car was owned by A.K. Miller the Stutz enthusiast ( hoarder?) and the photo was taken at his home in N.J. I hope no one takes offense that I refer to A. K. Miller as a hoarder and say I am ' not fair ' like it was mentioned here elsewhere after I made a comment .😷 There is nothing wrong with hoarding as long as whatever it is one is hoarding does not allow it to deteriorate further than it is, especially to the point of being worthless. It would mean the items being 'saved' should be kept out of the elements, and/or from potential thievery and vandalism. How many times have we read here about the car in a yard that has sat for year and years out in the open where the owner has no desire to sell? Craig Link to post Share on other sites
Walt G 3,770 Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 Bob, good question, almost looks like a rear mounted spare but maybe not! original photo is a tiny snap shot. I can't imagine what it would be , definitely not something on the Franklin in the back ground. The most recent "hoarding" incident I can think of is in central NY State where many cars collected and stored away in the 1950s are slowly and reluctantly being sold off by the owner. Excellent original cars when stored were kept inside but never well cared for other then being under cover in a barn and saw a ton of dirt land on them over the decades. tires go flat, engines seize. Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Barrett 50 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Here are a pair of photos from an early family album that have somehow escaped identification over the years. I’ve hung on to them anyway ; because I find them evocative of a time when families of moderate income were quite proud of their automobiles, whatever they may have been. I particularly like this pair because these folks not only took the typical “family with car” shot, but even took one of the kids with the car being repaired after an apparent mishap. It was obviously a cherished family member in good times and bad. Bob 1 Link to post Share on other sites
LI_BENTLEY 39 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 I agree with the hoarding comments. If not for hoarding a lot of the cars we enjoy would not be here. Link to post Share on other sites
wayne sheldon 1,405 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Bob Barrett, Nice photos! Thank you for posting them. As much as the two photos look like the same car? They are not. The first one (sitting on the running board) is a Ford model T four door sedan. If I recall correctly, these were introduced in late 1922. This appears to be an early one, likely a late '22 or 1923 model with appears to be low radiator. The radiator was enlarged in mid 1923 calendar year (however considered to be a 1924 model). The radiator was made taller by a bit over an inch, so not a big change, and cannot be absolutely certain it isn't the later high radiator version from this angle in the photo. The second car (no running board to sit on) appears to be a Dodge sedan, and probably about 1920. They may have replaced the Dodge with a new Ford after the Dodge was damaged. Look closely at the hood on the Dodge. It has no louvres in the sides as the Ford does. Although the cars look very similar, the Dodge was a bit larger, and there are numerous minor detail differences that can be seen in these photos. Mostly in the cowl, wheels, and windshield areas. The fenders look very different, but with the rear fender missing, and people blocking the view of the front fender, those cannot be seen here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Barrett 50 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Wayne, Wow, good eye! After assuming for many years that these were the same car in both photos, this is a bit of a surprise. I had noticed that the paint finish was better on the Ford, but it never occurred to me that they were different vehicles. I can indeed see some things that don't match up after closer examination . (I even cleaned my glasses first!) The vertical molding below the belt at the back of the car, rear window frame (bottom back corner), and the sweep of the rear body, from the belt down, are other things that I now notice. I'm glad that you enjoyed the photos, and thank you so much for the new information. The new details may even help to identify the subjects in the pics someday! Bob Link to post Share on other sites
1937hd45 3,266 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 The family with that 1923 Ford Fordor was doing better than the same families buying a Touring car, the Fordor was twice the price. Bob Link to post Share on other sites
wayne sheldon 1,405 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) How about something more in line with the Classic era? The source for this one a few years back speculated that it was a 1928 LaSalle. Wheelbase looks a bit short, but? Edited December 27, 2020 by wayne sheldon I hate leaving typos! (see edit history) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 13,504 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, wayne sheldon said: How about something more in line with the Classic era? The source for this one a few years back speculated that it was a 1928LaSalle. Wheelbase looks a bit short, but? Looks like a 1928 LaSalle........probably made as a test platform for one of the Fisher Brothers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 13,504 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) How strong is a Pierce Arrow with a factory cast aluminum body? Here is a car that rolled over and landed up side down. They drove it away. Edited December 10, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) 5 Link to post Share on other sites
1937hd45 3,266 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) ^^^^^^^^^^^ Ed, Please tell us about the wheels, I know that style was popular on English cars starting as far back as 1912 on AC's. Two pieces of stamped steel spokes welded up into a rim. Yes, this little delivery car is the grandfather of the AC/Cobra. Bob Edited December 10, 2020 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) Link to post Share on other sites
Gary_Ash 1,117 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Ed, when I was in Fay Butler's shop in Wheelwright, MA a few years ago, he had a cast-body P-A sitting there. Fay claimed he was going to finish the car, though I don't think there has been any progress for a long time. Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 13,504 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 He has been working on it on and off for years......he is reasonably close now. it's a 1910 or so, 66 HP. Portions are origional factory body.....I think he has made new doors. The rear tub is all factory, as is the cowl. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
8E45E 1,424 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 4 hours ago, edinmass said: How strong is a Pierce Arrow with a factory cast aluminum body? Here is a car that rolled over and landed up side down. They drove it away. I imagine it would withstand a hailstorm pretty good!! Craig Link to post Share on other sites
LCK81403 199 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 This Pierce-Arrow has interesting wheels. The six-spoke wheels appear to be the same as on the two cars in the second photos. The second photo was posted on this thread months ago; I don't remember if the cars were type identified. The six-spoke wheels in the photos appear to be very similar to an eight-spoke version made by Van Wheels, of Oneida, New York. Are those six-spoke wheels made by Van Wheels also? Link to post Share on other sites
58L-Y8 2,090 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 You might be thinking of these Smith Wheels, on a '20's Packard Six club sedan. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
LCK81403 199 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Wayne, regarding your photo of the possible Abbott-Detroit. The second photo attached was identified as a 1920 Abbott-Detroit, and it was posted on this thread perhaps several pages past. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 13,504 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I’m stressed out.......so I am posting this historic photo, to relieve some stress...........there may be a car in the photo. I’m not sure........some things never go out of style.........chassis is a bit more modern than we usually see........ 8 2 Link to post Share on other sites
wayne sheldon 1,405 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 So much good stuff! LCK81403, I had forgotten that one? So many wonderful photos in this thread. A lot of similarities there. A good number of British and European cars of the 1910s and 1920s had cast or pressed metal spoke wheels. In the world history of wheels, the idea was more attractive there at the time than it was in America because Europe and England had limited resources of wood that was both hard enough and resilient enough to be well suited for wheel spoke use. Steel wire spoke and steel disc wheels were much more common over there than they were over here in those decades, even on the cheaper cars. North America had many thousands of acres of indigenous Hickory which was very well suited for wheel use. It is interesting to note (at least to me?) that many of Briton's and European's finest and most expensive automobiles used wooden spoke wheels in those years. Many people believed that the wooden wheels with their innate flexibility gave a better ride on the rough (albeit better then there than here) roads of the day. So on cars where cost was not an object, proper woods were often either acquired from limited local supplies, or imported. Ed M, Thank you for the comment on the LaSalle. The strength of the Pierce Arrow cast aluminum body is incredible. A good friend almost twenty years ago was transporting an about 1918 Pierce Arrow inside a three axle enclosed trailer when the unthinkable happened. Something triggered one tire to blow out, which was followed by the other two axles on that side also blowing out! The trailer flipped at speed onto its side. My work on the road had me in his neighborhood just a few days later so I stopped by his shop. The Pierce Arrow was a good survivor preservation car with original paint and etc. It helped that the car was tied down inside the trailer very well. But I was still amazed to see that other than a broken windshield frame, and some minor damage to the top sockets, the car appeared undamaged. Saddened to hear you are stressed out. Always hoping it is nothing too serious. Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 13,504 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1937hd45.......the wheels we see occasionally on Pierce Arrow cars from 1916-1920. Best guess, the owners probably had or were involved in trucks or trucking..........so they installed cast wheels. They came back into fashion in 1931 & 1932...........photo to follow. This is one of five 1931 Series 42 Dual Cowl Pierce’s known. One of the five has been in my family for 60 years.........these are Budd stainless steel wheels. 8 Link to post Share on other sites
1937hd45 3,266 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Great looking car, like that top a lot. Bob 1 Link to post Share on other sites
nzcarnerd 1,273 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 2 hours ago, wayne sheldon said: So much good stuff! LCK81403, I had forgotten that one? So many wonderful photos in this thread. A lot of similarities there. A good number of British and European cars of the 1910s and 1920s had cast or pressed metal spoke wheels. In the world history of wheels, the idea was more attractive there at the time than it was in America because Europe and England had limited resources of wood that was both hard enough and resilient enough to be well suited for wheel spoke use. Steel wire spoke and steel disc wheels were much more common over there than they were over here in those decades, even on the cheaper cars. North America had many thousands of acres of indigenous Hickory which was very well suited for wheel use. It is interesting to note (at least to me?) that many of Briton's and European's finest and most expensive automobiles used wooden spoke wheels in those years. Many people believed that the wooden wheels with their innate flexibility gave a better ride on the rough (albeit better then there than here) roads of the day. So on cars where cost was not an object, proper woods were often either acquired from limited local supplies, or imported. Ed M, Thank you for the comment on the LaSalle. The strength of the Pierce Arrow cast aluminum body is incredible. A good friend almost twenty years ago was transporting an about 1918 Pierce Arrow inside a three axle enclosed trailer when the unthinkable happened. Something triggered one tire to blow out, which was followed by the other two axles on that side also blowing out! The trailer flipped at speed onto its side. My work on the road had me in his neighborhood just a few days later so I stopped by his shop. The Pierce Arrow was a good survivor preservation car with original paint and etc. It helped that the car was tied down inside the trailer very well. But I was still amazed to see that other than a broken windshield frame, and some minor damage to the top sockets, the car appeared undamaged. Saddened to hear you are stressed out. Always hoping it is nothing too serious. Those pressed steel wheels are generally referred to as Sankeys, after one of the makes of them. I guess in much the same way as vacuum cleaners are often referred to as Hoovers - as in "I am doing the Hoovering" etc. Link to post Share on other sites
nzcarnerd 1,273 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 9 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: ^^^^^^^^^^^ Ed, Please tell us about the wheels, I know that style was popular on English cars starting as far back as 1912 on AC's. Two pieces of stamped steel spokes welded up into a rim. Yes, this little delivery car is the grandfather of the AC/Cobra. Bob AC is derived from the original make name Auto Carrier. Link to post Share on other sites
Tph479 113 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Third series Packard Twin Six roadster with those aftermarket type wheels. This roadster model first made an appearance in the 1920 model year and was the first production body Packard with the 2 seat rumble seat. 424 cubic inch 12 cylinder engine, 3 speed transmission, 136 inch wheel base impractical rocket ship for the era. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
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nzcarnerd 1,273 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 13 hours ago, wayne sheldon said: So much good stuff! LCK81403, I had forgotten that one? So many wonderful photos in this thread. A lot of similarities there. A good number of British and European cars of the 1910s and 1920s had cast or pressed metal spoke wheels. In the world history of wheels, the idea was more attractive there at the time than it was in America because Europe and England had limited resources of wood that was both hard enough and resilient enough to be well suited for wheel spoke use. Steel wire spoke and steel disc wheels were much more common over there than they were over here in those decades, even on the cheaper cars. North America had many thousands of acres of indigenous Hickory which was very well suited for wheel use. It is interesting to note (at least to me?) that many of Briton's and European's finest and most expensive automobiles used wooden spoke wheels in those years. Many people believed that the wooden wheels with their innate flexibility gave a better ride on the rough (albeit better then there than here) roads of the day. So on cars where cost was not an object, proper woods were often either acquired from limited local supplies, or imported. Ed M, Thank you for the comment on the LaSalle. The strength of the Pierce Arrow cast aluminum body is incredible. A good friend almost twenty years ago was transporting an about 1918 Pierce Arrow inside a three axle enclosed trailer when the unthinkable happened. Something triggered one tire to blow out, which was followed by the other two axles on that side also blowing out! The trailer flipped at speed onto its side. My work on the road had me in his neighborhood just a few days later so I stopped by his shop. The Pierce Arrow was a good survivor preservation car with original paint and etc. It helped that the car was tied down inside the trailer very well. But I was still amazed to see that other than a broken windshield frame, and some minor damage to the top sockets, the car appeared undamaged. Saddened to hear you are stressed out. Always hoping it is nothing too serious. This 1913 Nazzaro is on Sankey type wheels with 895 x 135 beaded edge tyres. By coincidence the wheels from this car were in at a local tyre shop last week having new - new as in the owner had had them for a few years - tyres fitted. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
LCK81403 199 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Wow ! -- this is a great looking Packard roadster, and the wheels are simply terrific. Sitting here speculating how wheels like that would look on my '29 Model-A Ford. Anyone know where solid spoke wheels can be purchased? The wire wheels on my '29 are so ordinary. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Barrett 50 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) These are a couple of publicity photos for an electric utility company. The utility is Rockland Light and Power Co. The photos were taken in Rockland County, NY, just north of New York City. Today, following a couple of corporate mergers over many decades, this company is part of ConEd; the New York metropolitan area utility giant. The first photo shows a portion of the company’s service fleet circa 1933. The sign on the truck which has become faded over the years reads, “AT YOUR SERVICE NIGHT AND DAY MEMBER OF THE N.R.A.”. ( National Recovery Administration) The signs on the cars are (L to R) R, L, &, P, CO. The second photo is a later photo of one of the company’s service trucks, obviously taken during the holiday season, promoting the use of Christmas lights. Now seemed like the perfect season to post the second one. My Christmas card to the forum! Bob, Edited December 11, 2020 by Bob Barrett (see edit history) 3 Link to post Share on other sites
twin6 1,194 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Fulton trucks, Farmingdale, NY. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Walt G 3,770 Posted December 11, 2020 Author Share Posted December 11, 2020 Lots of people on long island will be very very enthused to see this Fulton truck photo here on long island! WOW. There is a restored Fulton truck in the Cradle of Aviation Museum in Garden City, NY on display that was donated by my friend Al Velocci who had it restored. Way cool !!!!!! Most interesting to read that the trucks in the photo were on their way to India! Very important photo for us to see. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Princeton54Museum 14 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) Why have so many images been removed here and there; for instance, at the close of page 154? Certainly not a complaint, this is decidedly a great STRESS reducer! Thank you all. CCS Edited December 11, 2020 by Princeton54Museum mis-numbered page references. (see edit history) Link to post Share on other sites
Walt G 3,770 Posted December 11, 2020 Author Share Posted December 11, 2020 Not sure as to why pages are removed or moved as I do not go back often enough to notice. I try to focus on what is currently being posted. The moderators I am sure are doing their very best to cope with this huge thread that developed well beyond anything I expected when I started it in March. I will let one of them answer your question if possible when they can. I am not a computer guru by any way , shape or means - just am totally obsessed with automotive ( yes that includes trucks) history and the teacher in me just likes to share what I have collected for over 50 years. My only personal request to all of you who are looking at this and do not belong to AACA is to join NOW for 2021. Also strongly consider joining the Society of Automotive Historians . Thank you , and before I forget to do so I WANT TO WISH A HAPPY AND SAFE HOLIDAYS TO ALL OF YOU. Walt 4 Link to post Share on other sites
8E45E 1,424 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 6 hours ago, twin6 said: Fulton trucks, Farmingdale, NY. A restored 1918 Fulton. Craig 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 13,504 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Some people post a photo, and only leave it up for 12 hours or some other set time.........not unusual. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Tph479 113 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1955 Chrysler Falcon. Check out the license plate. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
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