1937hd45 3,264 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Did White continue to be the Official White House car after the gas versions replaced the steamers? Bob Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 12,645 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) I origionally listed this as Murphy........a more experienced eye suggested Judkins; which I am sure is correct....since he owns one! Thanks to my Sensei for putting me on the correct path! . Edited November 23, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) 2 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 12,645 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 14 hours ago, JV Puleo said: Great photos Ed. This is just a guess but I think the vessel is the USS Mayflower, the Presidential yacht. The date is 1917. It seems to have something to do with the visit of these two French officers, I presume War Heroes because both have the Croix de Guerre and the one on the right also has been decorated with the Legion of Honor. Neither are senior officers and they could be aviators. In WWI the French aviation service did not have a specific uniform. Members wore the uniform of the branch of service they came from and these were frequently somewhat different. As the war progressed, and men joined from civilian life, they had no "old uniform" to wear and, because there was no official uniform, they could wear whatever uniform they liked best. This even will be recorded somewhere and some further digging will probably reveal who they were. Everyone in the background is in US uniform, including the drivers so we can be pretty sure they are in the US. One of the cars has a little two-flag device on the radiator cap with French and US flags. Correct......I have the names somewhere, but just not at hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Angelo VanBogart 34 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I have very much enjoyed this thread - thank you to all who contributed! Since I enjoyed seeing your photos, I thought I would post a few from my collection. Hope you enjoy them! 9 Link to post Share on other sites
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keiser31 5,837 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Angelo VanBogart said: Cute little Cole roadster! Edited November 23, 2020 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to post Share on other sites
Walt G 3,364 Posted November 23, 2020 Author Share Posted November 23, 2020 Angelo, thank you so much. Love the photos !!!, especially the one of the Isotta Fraschini town car with the Fleetwood body. Walt 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Angelo VanBogart 34 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 37 minutes ago, Walt G said: Angelo, thank you so much. Love the photos !!!, especially the one of the Isotta Fraschini town car with the Fleetwood body. Walt There is a caption on the back of the photo and if I remember correctly, it states the pictured woman is actress Nita Naldi and the IS town car is credited to Valentino's ownership. Link to post Share on other sites
keiser31 5,837 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Angelo VanBogart said: There is a caption on the back of the photo and if I remember correctly, it states the pictured woman is actress Nita Naldi and the IS town car is credited to Valentino's ownership. I do see a cobra on the radiator, Valentino's style. Link to post Share on other sites
Walt G 3,364 Posted November 23, 2020 Author Share Posted November 23, 2020 Yes, the town car was bought by Valentino who also ordered a roadster by Fleetwood that is a famous car that has received a lot of press, repaint in non original colors etc BUT Valentino never took delivery of the roadster - he passed away before it was finished. So although ordered and built for him was never driven by him to my knowledge. That car was bought by a fellow who worked for I-F of New York and for decades was used by him to attend local car shows here on the western end of long island. Joe Gaeta lived in the Manorhaven section of Port Washington , NY and was a great guy. As a teenager I spoke to him often and he would ask me to sit and talk to him as no younger people even heard of an Isotta Fraschini ( nor really knew how to pronounce the cars name) . Joe fitted RR Phantom I or Ghost pedal pads to the clutch and brake pedals because ones with IF cast into them were not available and the original ones on the car dried out and fell off after 30+ years. So the car had RR pedal pads. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites
John_Mereness 4,662 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Angelo VanBogart said: I have very much enjoyed this thread - thank you to all who contributed! Since I enjoyed seeing your photos, I thought I would post a few from my collection. Hope you enjoy them! Rudolph Valentino car ? Link to post Share on other sites
1937hd45 3,264 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Walt, I found these two photos on a search for the Roadster. There was a maroon and silver Isotta Cabriolet from Long Island that used to come up to Ridgefield, think the owner was a postal worker. Last time I saw it it was jet black and on the lawn at Pebble Beach. 6 Link to post Share on other sites
Angelo VanBogart 34 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 And here it is after a fender bender at a railroad crossing. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 12,645 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, Angelo VanBogart said: And here it is after a fender bender at a railroad crossing. This photo just knocked off 25 percent at the auction next time it goes up for sale........... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Walt G 3,364 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 Ed, can agree BUT that won't happen if the sign in front of the car goes along with the car at the auction along with an authentic period signed letter from one of Mr. Valentino's paramours that the fancy clothing undergarments found buried/lodged in the rear armrest were indeed part of the cars heritage .... hey we are talking about automotive history here! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
LCK81403 170 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Does anyone know the history of this accident? The front bumper is caved in a little at dead center, possibly from striking the post of the railroad crossing sign. That slight damage does not seem to match the destruction of the crossing sign. There appears to be no damage to the headlights nor radiator shroud. Yet with so little damage to the front of the car the right front wheel appears to be splayed out indicating either damage to the axle, or simply that the tire was stripped off its rim. The right rear tire appears to be sunken into the dirt surface possibly indicating "soft shoulder" at the edge of the road surface. Hence this accident possibly resulted from too much speed, a slick (wet mud?) road surface, and a curve in the road approaching the rail crossing. ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 12,645 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Can anyone ID the body builder on this Dorris? It has a round badge on the cowl. Thanks, Ed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
58L-Y8 1,871 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Fleetwood used an oval body tag. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
wayne sheldon 1,311 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I just HAD to go out and look at it. The amazing thing is it only took a few minutes to find it amongst all my junk. For about fifty years, I have had a Raulang Body tag, and I knew it was an oval. Looking at it closely for the first time in a decade or two, I would say it is likely a rounder oval than the body tag on that neat looking roadster. So I would say body by Fisher and/or Fleetwood is still more likely. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Walt G 3,364 Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 Eric Hatch was an automotive author who penned a regular column for the society magazine Country Life in the 1920s. Country Life Press was a branch of Doubleday, Doran & Company, a major publisher at the time that was based on Franklin Avenue in Garden City , NY on the east side of the road. This image of a Minerva conv. sedan with body by Hibbard & Darrin was in the Feb. 1928 issue. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 12,645 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) I had a drink with Hibbard's grandson last Sunday..........nice guy. He asked why my White(Rubay body, Hibbard's first job.) looked like a Duesenberg LeBaron Phaeton, and I said, because your grandfather designed this car while he was still a teenager. He had a big smile on his face. It's amazing who you bump into in Southern Florida. Edited November 25, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) 3 Link to post Share on other sites
twin6 1,075 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 17 hours ago, 58L-Y8 said: Fleetwood used an oval body tag. I'll defer to Walt, but those cowl lights and clamshell fenders are consistent with Fleetwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Walt G 3,364 Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 The advertisement is from the 1937 George Vanderbilt Cup race held at the Roosevelt Raceway in 1937 in Westbury, NY. this raceway was in the area where Lindbergh flew off/over to head east to Paris a decade before. The print of the open coupe is from a series of images given to me by a great friend in CCCA some years ago as a gift and was one of the Hibbard designs. More stuff from my archives. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
twin6 1,075 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 6 Link to post Share on other sites
alsancle 5,343 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 66 with a cast aluminum body? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 12,645 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, alsancle said: 66 with a cast aluminum body? Yes 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Grimy 1,667 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, alsancle said: 66 with a cast aluminum body? Yes, the height of the hood vis-a-vis the cowl is the most obvious clue. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Walt G 3,364 Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 That period photo really makes you appreciate the size of the car ( and the wheels/tires for scale) , think about the size of a man driving it and judge/compare against the size of the buildings behind it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Grimy 1,667 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 For context, the tires were 37 x 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 12,645 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Can anyone ID the Packard? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 12,645 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 This is why your brass car steers like sxxt today. No need to rebuild the box, the car is low mileage! 1909 Glidden Tour with a Pierce Arrow. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites
John_Mereness 4,662 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Cord L-29 Cabriolet 2 Link to post Share on other sites
John_Mereness 4,662 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Cord Phaeton 1 Link to post Share on other sites
John_Mereness 4,662 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, edinmass said: This is why your brass car steers like sxxt today. No need to rebuild the box, the car is low mileage! 1909 Glidden Tour with a Pierce Arrow. Yep, and perhaps they were a little shy on hardening technology (at least in automobiles). As dad says about many 30's cars - it was worn out at 30K miles (by the way if you work here in Cincinnati at Procter & Gamble, then I would have to say 30M for thirty thousand and MM is million). 1 Link to post Share on other sites
8E45E 1,269 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, John_Mereness said: As dad says about many 30's cars - it was worn out at 30K miles (by the way if you work here in Cincinnati at Procter & Gamble, then I would have to say 30M for thirty thousand and MM is million). So when the ashtray was full, it was time to get rid of it? Craig 1 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 12,645 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1925 Stanley on the road in 1941 in Boston. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 12,645 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 A special car from Springfield Mass........Knox. You can see here why pre 1912 it was considered one of the best cars in America. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 12,645 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Stop at a hotel for the evening back in the day, you paid to put your car up in a garage........interesting to see what was on hand on any particular day. 6 Link to post Share on other sites
edinmass 12,645 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 New York City, Centeral Park, and the showroom. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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