LCK81403 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Does anyone know the history of this accident? The front bumper is caved in a little at dead center, possibly from striking the post of the railroad crossing sign. That slight damage does not seem to match the destruction of the crossing sign. There appears to be no damage to the headlights nor radiator shroud. Yet with so little damage to the front of the car the right front wheel appears to be splayed out indicating either damage to the axle, or simply that the tire was stripped off its rim. The right rear tire appears to be sunken into the dirt surface possibly indicating "soft shoulder" at the edge of the road surface. Hence this accident possibly resulted from too much speed, a slick (wet mud?) road surface, and a curve in the road approaching the rail crossing. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Can anyone ID the body builder on this Dorris? It has a round badge on the cowl. Thanks, Ed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Fleetwood used an oval body tag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I just HAD to go out and look at it. The amazing thing is it only took a few minutes to find it amongst all my junk. For about fifty years, I have had a Raulang Body tag, and I knew it was an oval. Looking at it closely for the first time in a decade or two, I would say it is likely a rounder oval than the body tag on that neat looking roadster. So I would say body by Fisher and/or Fleetwood is still more likely. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 Eric Hatch was an automotive author who penned a regular column for the society magazine Country Life in the 1920s. Country Life Press was a branch of Doubleday, Doran & Company, a major publisher at the time that was based on Franklin Avenue in Garden City , NY on the east side of the road. This image of a Minerva conv. sedan with body by Hibbard & Darrin was in the Feb. 1928 issue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) I had a drink with Hibbard's grandson last Sunday..........nice guy. He asked why my White(Rubay body, Hibbard's first job.) looked like a Duesenberg LeBaron Phaeton, and I said, because your grandfather designed this car while he was still a teenager. He had a big smile on his face. It's amazing who you bump into in Southern Florida. Edited November 25, 2020 by edinmass (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 17 hours ago, 58L-Y8 said: Fleetwood used an oval body tag. I'll defer to Walt, but those cowl lights and clamshell fenders are consistent with Fleetwood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 The advertisement is from the 1937 George Vanderbilt Cup race held at the Roosevelt Raceway in 1937 in Westbury, NY. this raceway was in the area where Lindbergh flew off/over to head east to Paris a decade before. The print of the open coupe is from a series of images given to me by a great friend in CCCA some years ago as a gift and was one of the Hibbard designs. More stuff from my archives. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 66 with a cast aluminum body? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, alsancle said: 66 with a cast aluminum body? Yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, alsancle said: 66 with a cast aluminum body? Yes, the height of the hood vis-a-vis the cowl is the most obvious clue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 That period photo really makes you appreciate the size of the car ( and the wheels/tires for scale) , think about the size of a man driving it and judge/compare against the size of the buildings behind it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 For context, the tires were 37 x 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Can anyone ID the Packard? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 This is why your brass car steers like sxxt today. No need to rebuild the box, the car is low mileage! 1909 Glidden Tour with a Pierce Arrow. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Cord L-29 Cabriolet 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Cord Phaeton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, edinmass said: This is why your brass car steers like sxxt today. No need to rebuild the box, the car is low mileage! 1909 Glidden Tour with a Pierce Arrow. Yep, and perhaps they were a little shy on hardening technology (at least in automobiles). As dad says about many 30's cars - it was worn out at 30K miles (by the way if you work here in Cincinnati at Procter & Gamble, then I would have to say 30M for thirty thousand and MM is million). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, John_Mereness said: As dad says about many 30's cars - it was worn out at 30K miles (by the way if you work here in Cincinnati at Procter & Gamble, then I would have to say 30M for thirty thousand and MM is million). So when the ashtray was full, it was time to get rid of it? Craig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1925 Stanley on the road in 1941 in Boston. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 A special car from Springfield Mass........Knox. You can see here why pre 1912 it was considered one of the best cars in America. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Stop at a hotel for the evening back in the day, you paid to put your car up in a garage........interesting to see what was on hand on any particular day. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 New York City, Centeral Park, and the showroom. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 5 hours ago, edinmass said: Can anyone ID the Packard? No, but I believe that is Ralph Stein next to it. Bob 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tph479 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) Silver arrow in front of a pyramid Edited November 27, 2020 by Tph479 (see edit history) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brian R. Peterson Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 On 3/12/2020 at 4:54 PM, STEVE POLLARD said: Wow.... what is this beauty Walt ? The car on the right is a Mercedes 500K/540K Sindelfingen Cabriolet A like the red car, the car on the left is a Mercedes 500K/540K Sindelfingen Cabriolet B like the blue car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted November 27, 2020 Author Share Posted November 27, 2020 I wonder if they are the exact same cars but decades later? Walt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryankazmer Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Packard 187 seems to be wearing license plates from Champagne district Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Spong Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Ex-King Ferdinand I of Bulgaria being met at Khartoum Airport, Sudan with a 1932 Ford V8 Sedan. In the background the Imperial Airways biplane airliner in which he had arrived. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Spong Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 15 hours ago, John_Mereness said: Cord L-29 Cabriolet Licence Plate indicates Munich area of Bavaria, Germany. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 The photo in the crowd is a Winton, the other is a Knox on the Glidden Tour. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 One of the best tow rigs I have seen from the era........ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, edinmass said: Can anyone ID the Packard? That is Ralph Stein. The car was a Packard roadster he bought from ??? (I've forgotten the name) but he worked for Marcellus Hartley Dodge, the grandson of Marcellus Hartley, a principal of Schuyler, Hartley & Graham - the military goods dealer. Hartley's business was extremely successful...in 1888 he bought the Remington Arms Company and was also the owner of Union Metallic Cartridge. He also founded an electric company that he sold to George Westinghouse. The grandson merged the two companies in 1912 resulting in Remington/UMC. That picture, and a description of the car can be found in Stein's "Treasury of the Automobile. " I also saw a reference to the gentleman he purchased it from on the Old Motor web site in a description of a car built for the Dodges. I think Stein traded it for an Alfa Romeo. Found it...the original owner was McClure Hally. Oh...and the device on the radiator cap is a tachometer... Edited November 27, 2020 by JV Puleo (see edit history) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Walt G said: I wonder if they are the exact same cars but decades later? Walt No. The right most car in the 1950s photo is a 36/37 Cab A, the Red car, formerly owned for years by Warren Hoar is a 500k. The left car is a 540K Cab B, while the new photo shows a 500K Cab B. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibarlaw Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 40 minutes ago, edinmass said: One of the best tow rigs I have seen from the era........ Thanks for this one Ed. The tow vehicle looks to be made from a 1923 Buick open 7 passenger model 49 on the long 124"WB. The towed car a 1924 Model 35 4 cylinder touring. Interesting dolly arrangement. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, dibarlaw said: Thanks for this one Ed. The tow vehicle looks to be made from a 1923 Buick open 7 passenger model 49 on the long 124"WB. The towed car a 1924 Model 35 4 cylinder touring. Interesting dolly arrangement. My father had a dolly similar to this one. The iron wheels made a real lot of noise, some may have had hard rubber 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Weaver made a steel-wheeled tow dolly named "Weaver Auto Ambulance" like this device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I already posted this I'm sure, but it is a better tow rig. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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