Period images to relieve some of the stress

[edinmass]

2 hours ago, twin6 said:

Australia?

No clue....found on line. No information was posted.

[edinmass]

 

 

I just got my tax bill........what a way to go!

 

 

Edited April 28, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history)

[edinmass]

 

 

Days gone by.........once common, never to be seen again. 

 

 

[edinmass]

 

Guy standing looks like he wanted a DV!

 

 

 

Edited April 28, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history)

[edinmass]

 

 

1905 I think.......

[edinmass]

 

 

Fill her up.......check the oil. 

 

 

[edinmass]

 

 

Yes, they actually drove them rain or shine......and snow!

 

 

[edinmass]

 

Nice ride......

 

 

[BRB62]

3 hours ago, twin6 said:

Australia?

Queensland.

[Walt G]

1 hour ago, edinmass said:

V!

The guy standing is Fred Moskovics who was very influential in Stutz management and he also was the same in the management at Franklin cars as well for a brief time. I have the same photo and the fellow behind the wheel of the car is a race car driver of the era. Do not have the time to look up now . Weather is good ( ie sunny, no rain ) right now on western long island and I have a huge pile of pre 1940 steel toys that need to get to the stage I can spray them with lacquer primer.

Edited April 28, 2022 by Walt G (see edit history)

[1937hd45]

Looks like Frank Lockhart behind the wheel.

[George K]

28 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said:

Looks like Frank Lockhart behind the wheel.

For sure. Believe it’s a Detroit library photo that states that. Frank should have been a little more  suspicious of Stutz’s.

[LCK81403]

Great photo of what appears to be a King automobile.  The radiator badge has a shape that is unique to the King car.  Unfortunately the old photograph does not hold up very good under magnification but it shows good enough that it resembled a King badge.

 

[Walt G]

Packard accessories circa 1935-37.  The Packard company was prolific in issuing 8 x 10 photographs of the "approved" accessories  in the late 1930s. They printed up accessory catalogs in b & w from at least 1920 to 1942, I have mostly a full run of those for all the series of Packards of that era .  Most came from the basement of a fellow who was a former Packard dealer in Connecticut after a used book seller found them about a decade or more ago. My long time friend who comments here as "3makes" in Ct. managed to buy the whole collection of Packard material there for me and I have used it ever since to document and write stories about what was going on in that era. The best moment of all of that stuff was when 3 years ago my good friends from Germany visited me on their way back from attending Hershey and I was able to show them an upholstery sample book from 1932-34 era - one good friend from there has a pair of 1934 Packard sedans. This to me is what sharing our old cars and collections is all about.

[alsancle]

4 hours ago, edinmass said:

 

Nice ride......

 

 

 

Jack Dempsey is one of those guys like Clark Cable that seemed to "own" a million cars.

 

I need to get out Stan Smith's book to see if this car survives.

[nzcarnerd]

4 hours ago, edinmass said:

 

 

Days gone by.........once common, never to be seen again. 

 

 

An interesting social comment photo. There is debate world wide I think about traffic congestion and public transport, and are many in this part of the world calling for the re-introduction of trams (what you in the US call street cars). Here in NZ, overuse with little maintenance during WW2, and rapid expansion of suburbs in the 1950s saw them replaced by buses. This photos shows two disadvantages of trams - they have to load in the street, and they are not 'elder person' friendly. An article in today's news in relation to a major shortage of aged-care workers - particularly registered nurses - caused by various factors but particularly by Covid-induced border restrictions. One thing it did mention was that 75 plus age group is expected to triple in the next 50 years. Most of them would be unable to climb into a tram, whereas a bus at least can pull into the kerb and lower the floor in many cases to kerb level. The 'loading in the street' factor would give the road safety people kittens.

[nzcarnerd]

8 hours ago, twin6 said:

Young lady enjoying a ride on the radiator cap?

[edinmass]

11 minutes ago, alsancle said:

 

Jack Dempsey is one of those guys like Clark Cable that seemed to "own" a million cars.

 

I need to get out Stan Smith's book to see if this car survives.

 

You were looking at it in March with me! 🫣

 

 

 

[George K]

3 minutes ago, nzcarnerd said:

Young lady enjoying a ride on the radiator cap?

Daphne at the well.

[nzcarnerd]

1 minute ago, George K said:

Daphne at the well.

A factory offering I see - Category:Packard Daphne at the Well hood ornament - Wikimedia Commons

[nzcarnerd]

Unknown photo source of an unknown factory. Maybe someone recognises that rear end/differential.

 

I see at least one of the workers kept his drawer locked.

 

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

The police are on the case?  😁

 

[nzcarnerd]

A 1920s Austin 12/4 Clifton tourer - probably in Australia - 

 

[nzcarnerd]

From a quick look on Google maps I think Turnbull Hammock is on the Florida coast between Cocoa and Daytona beaches.

 

I think humphing those heavy fruit crates around would have caused back issues for those people later in life.

 

 

 

[alsancle]

38 minutes ago, edinmass said:

 

You were looking at it in March with me! 🫣

 

 

 

 

 

I don't believe that is the same car.    The blue one was originally part of the Dupont family - I thought.

[edinmass]

They were all part of the DuPont family……says so on the hubcaps and radiator. 

[nzcarnerd]

No info with this one - location unknown - and not a very clear photo. I think it is not a White... 

 

The G registration might be Glasgow, Scotland - 

 

 

 

[1937hd45]

Thanks Walt, If someone wants to colorize the photo here is a can for reference. 

[HK500]

Ok - here's a great one - way before Atlantic Auto Wreckers put up their "Impeach Earl Warren" Billboard above their junked classics in Gardena, CA, we have Dolores Gunn and her escort service in a '38 Packard advocating a recall of  the LA "Reform" mayor Fletcher Bowron!  And, I'm pushing the pre-war envelope because the missing spare tire tells me it was taken during WWII.  

[twin6]

[nzcarnerd]

"People riding a motorized omnibus in Daytona Beach. Early 1900s." - Florida Memory • People riding a motorized omnibus in Daytona Beach.

 

[wayne sheldon]

19 hours ago, twin6 said:

 

Note the Buick in your lower right hand corner. In a photo of about forty cars, only that one Buick is a really light color. Discussions about "proper" colors for vintage automobiles happen here often. Light and bright colors were simply NOT common generally before World War two was behind us. The Buick "White Streak" series was one of the most notable exceptions. One of the very few (yes there were a few others) major manufacturers to offer some cars in a near white color, for only a few years (roughly from memory about 1908 through 1910 or '11?). Most Buick models were not offered in white. As I recall, only the White Streak series cars at that time.

A wonderful photo! Thank you for sharing it here.

Edited May 1, 2022 by wayne sheldon
Additional thought. (see edit history)

[JRA]

11 hours ago, wayne sheldon said:

 

Note the Buick in your lower right hand corner. In a photo of about forty cars, only that one Buick is a really light color. Discussions about "proper" colors for vintage automobiles happen here often. Light and bright colors were simply NOT common generally before World War two was behind us. The Buick "White Streak" series was one of the most notable exceptions. One of the very few (yes there were a few others) major manufacturers to offer some cars in a near white color, for only a few years (roughly from memory about 1908 through 1910 or '11?). Most Buick models were not offered in white. As I recall, only the White Streak series cars at that time.

A wonderful photo! Thank you for sharing it here.

The 1920s car color debate is for sure a hot and neverending topic, anyway, probably there is somewhere a cross-reference chart translating actual colors in B&W grayscale. It would be interesting to be able to easily convert the B&W photos to colorized ones. It would be a good way to see how the cars, people and buildings actually looked like in the past.

Edited May 1, 2022 by JRA (see edit history)

[wayne sheldon]

JRA, I am certainly NOT a chemist! Chemistry (along with geology) was one of my weaker sciences. However, with my historic interests in photographs, I have read several articles on the subject.

People have been looking for decades now for "the magic key" to convert old black and white photography into appropriate colors. With the advances in computer systems and programming, in the past twenty years, there was renewed interest in solving that issue. I think most people have realized that because of so many varied chemistries involved in the photographic processes, that a real such a magic key will never be found. I have no doubt that computer programs to translate into a fairly reasonable simulation will continue to improve.

The problem is twofold. One, when we see old photographs on the internet today? We are not seeing the original picture. Even when we hold an original copy in our hands, it has suffered chemical degradation for nearly a century! Every single time a photograph is copied, scanned, transmitted, displayed? The representation is altered somewhat. The details in the gray scales have been changed in a dozen ways.

The other huge issue is the original photograph itself! Forgetting all the various early type photo processes (tintypes et al)? Numerous types of glass plates, dozens of different film types were used. Each and every one of them reacting slightly differently to various lighting and color conditions! Such things as sepia toned versus true black and white gray scale might be obvious to us? But even simple gray scale varies greatly from one film type to the next! And after the film does its thing, the photo paper has other alternate reactions.

I cannot recount the details. However, about a year ago I read an interesting short article that went into a fair amount of detail of how different colors reacted to different types of B&W film. A car painted red for instance? On one type of film would appear as pure black. On another type of film it would be a medium gray. On yet another film it might be a light gray. That red mixed with blue to paint a car maroon will make a maroon car different shades of gray. A yellow car could range anywhere from white to a medium gray. A medium dark green car can show up anywhere from off-white to near black. Couple all that with light conditions, and one gets an almost infinite number of combinations! No simple key can unlock more than a few of them.

A good internet friend and early Ford researcher has been playing with colorization for a few years now. It has been very interesting to see some of the results from various programs he has tried. A few programs have failed miserably! Several efforts have come out very well. I have spent so many hundreds of hours studying original era photographs, that to me, I hardly even notice anymore whether I am looking at a B&W or a color photo! B&W just looks natural to me.

 

I do have to admit. Although I usually look at era photographs for historic details and insights into life back then? When I see a well done colorized era photograph? The colorization does breath a bit of fresh air into the images. 

[1937hd45]

Based on the excessive number of spokes in the wheels and the shape if the hood this looks to have a Haynes-Apperson connection. 

[edinmass]

Do t think it’s a Hanes Apperson …….I have extensively worked on early Haines cars……..the chassis and layout are much different, as is the radiator and accessories. But they do look like distant cousins. 
 

This is the 1897 car we did the engine on, a long and interesting story. When registering it for Brighton they stuck it to us and registered it as a 1898. Even though we had documentation of 1897………..(We think they didn’t like the idea of an early big American car. It was a 400 cid twin.)………it ran the whole run without any major issues. It used perfume atomizers for fuel delivery. Originally a two stroke it was converted to four stroke before it was sold from the factory. It used a gear set from a lathe and had four speeds. It was crude, but very fast……scare the hell out of you fast. 30 mph felt like 200.

Edited May 1, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history)

[BobinVirginia]

1 hour ago, edinmass said:

Do t think it’s a Hanes Apperson …….I have extensively worked on early Haines cars……..the chassis and layout are much different, as is the radiator and accessories. But they do look like distant cousins. 
 

This is the 1897 car we did the engine on, a long and interesting story. When registering it for Brighton they stuck it to us and registered it as a 1898. Even though we had documentation of 1897………..(We think they didn’t like the idea of an early big American car. It was a 400 cid twin.)………it ran the whole run without any major issues. It used perfume atomizers for fuel delivery. Originally a two stroke it was converted to four stroke before it was sold from the factory. It used a gear set from a lathe and had four speeds. It was crude, but very fast……scare the hell out of you fast. 30 mph felt like 200.

That would’ve been built in the Riverside Machine Works. The original machine shop belonging to the Apperson’s where Haynes commissioned the first cars. I know they used Stintz boat engines on the first few cars. I’m not sure what that would’ve originally had but a likely similar engine. I’ll bet riding up on a high seating position with a touchy tiller would’ve been pretty sketchy at 30mph!!! 

Edited May 2, 2022 by BobinVirginia (see edit history)

[nzcarnerd]

This one came up on a facebook page with no info. Fairly obviously New York by the plates which date the photo to 1913. Some brief research found another source which gives the date as 10 July 1913.

 

There seems to be little historical info on New York's early buses. I have no idea what makes these are.  

 

 

 

 

 

The second photo I found on the net. Similar era but no info re the make.

 

 

[J.H.Boland]

Here's one for edinmass ! A 1925 Australian Charabanc with custom open body by Smith & Waddington of Sydney, built on a looong wheelbase White chassis. What more could you want ?

Edited May 2, 2022 by J.H.Boland (see edit history)

[JFranklin]

What a classy bus!!!!