1977 ply salon Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Hi I’m new to the forum! However not new to classics! I own a 66 thunder chicken stock 428 town landau and I have inherited my Grandads 77 Plymouth fury salon. Today I’m trying to figure out what the center bore for the 77 Fury salon is but I can’t seem to find it online so I came here to see if anyone here would know. I know it’s a 5x114.3 bolt pattern and a 5.5 inch wide by 15 inch rim just cannot find the hub measurements! Thank you in advance the car has incorrect wheels so I’m planning to get stock ones or near stock that are aftermarket! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I can’t help you with your question but I would like to give you a big 👍 for working on a 1977 Plymouth. Post a pic if you can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Are you looking for the standard wheel covers or the optional wire wheel cover? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_padavano Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 If you are asking about the diameter of the hub pilot that the wheel or brake drum fits over, it is 2.80". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) I am curious why you are listing the bolt pattern as 5 x 114.3 mm ? I know some on line interchange sites use metric designations but up until the last 5 years or so no one would have called this anything other than 5 x 4.5 inches. You don't care about interchange I would expect. You just want a set of O.E.M. Plymouth wheels. Anyone in a position to supply you with these wheels is almost certainly going to refer to them by their imperial { inch ) size. They were not designed or manufactured in a metric world. Why cloud the issue ? Does your car still have a spare tire ? If so have a good look at it. As long as it is not a space saver that is probably the wheel you want 4 more of. Take the tire off and look at all the stamped identification marks. There is probably the name of the actual wheel manufacturer as well as the size. There will also be things like inspection marks and a production date, which for your purpose don't matter. Greg in Canada Edited February 19, 2020 by 1912Staver (see edit history) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_padavano Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, 1912Staver said: I am curious why you are listing the bolt pattern as 5 x 114.3 mm ? What difference does it make? It's the same thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 It is the same thing but the metric version is an awkward conversion from the original size. From an engineering point of view no one would have ever decided to produce a 114.3 mm P.C.D.. They chose 4 .5 inches and that is the dimension that would have appeared on the blue print. Why call it anything else ? Being Canadian I run into this sort of measurement " rewriting of history " all the time. We officially became a metric country way back in the 1970's. But so many products sold in Canada are either American produced or also sold in the American market. So the product is sized in a way that reflects it's Imperial measurement design and manufacture. But for the Canadian market it is labeled or designated in some metric equivalent . Like 114.3 mm instead of 4.5 inches. Have you ever tried to measure .3 of a mm without a micrometer ? Why use such awkward sizes for things that make perfect sense in their original notation and little sense as a metric equivalent ? Greg in Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 6 hours ago, 1977 ply salon said: Hi I’m new to the forum! However not new to classics! I own a 66 thunder chicken stock 428 town landau and I have inherited my Grandads 77 Plymouth fury salon. Today I’m trying to figure out what the center bore for the 77 Fury salon is but I can’t seem to find it online so I came here to see if anyone here would know. I know it’s a 5x114.3 bolt pattern and a 5.5 inch wide by 15 inch rim just cannot find the hub measurements! Thank you in advance the car has incorrect wheels so I’m planning to get stock ones or near stock that are aftermarket! Are you still here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 ply salon Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 Still here just got off work thank you for the responses I appreciate the answer! 2.8 inches got it thank you! I used 114.3 because that’s what I’ve been looking at for wheels none of the wheels I’ve been looking at have 4.5 yes I’m aware they are the same but that’s also what my wheel specs were that I found online as I said before they don’t have the stock oem wheels on them and I do not have the car with me I’m stationed in Camp Pendleton California while it’s back in Texas so I’m trying to take leave later on to get it moved just starting the process with wheels and tires then since the tranny and engine are already out just have to put her on truck and trailer and haul her out for rebuild. Hopefully that answers your question about the bolt pattern. I’m trying to decide whether I should match the center bore with the wheel or just go with matching the bolt pattern on the wheels due to the fact it seems impossible to find oem wheels for a 1977 Plymouth fury salon. There’s very little info on these cars online so I’ve got to search for it. Once I get back home from on leave I’ll post up a picture once it’s out of the garage it’s in currently the picture I do have of it is pretty sad but it’s in really good condition been sitting since 83 in the garage it sits now. No rust, no nothing just dust. Can’t wait for the rebuild! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 ply salon Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 7 hours ago, TerryB said: I can’t help you with your question but I would like to give you a big 👍 for working on a 1977 Plymouth. Post a pic if you can. only one I got right now but once I get back she’ll be coming out of the slow grave she’s been sitting in since 83 I’ll be getting her moved and rebuilt after june 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Looks like you have a little digging to do! All the best to you and take care! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 ply salon Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 Thank you and yes indeed! Luckily the interior hasn’t been touched at all! So just exterior! Thank you again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) Unless there is something very unusual about 1977 Plymouth wheels, I can't see why they would be difficult to find. They are probably the same wheel as on several Chrysler Corp. products, and were probably used for several years. There are most likely hundreds of thousands of them out there. You need to do a bit of research with a Hollanders interchange manual and see exactly which wheels will work. Buying brand new, aftermarket steel wheels would be my last resort. Greg in Canada Edited February 20, 2020 by 1912Staver (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 ply salon Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 I have to go to aftermarket unless I want to but from a private seller and I’d rather not so new aftermarket steelies are my option. The Chrysler corps here doesn’t sell any classic wheels. Thanks for the advice though. Just have to match the bolt pattern and I should be fine and get the center hub as close as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Try Wildcat Auto in Sandy, Oregon. They are all MoPar and should have many wheels to fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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