jframe Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I lnow this has been discussed into the ground, but I am wanting to know if there is a definitive color that can be MIXED for my 65 with rally wheels. I want to go back to the original 65 shade of gray from the black they are now. Dropped off two of them at the body shop last week for them to start. I have read and researched here some, but all I saw was a rattle can solution, such as Eastwood Gray. Does anyone know of at least a very close color that can be mixed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 JFrame, the color I’ve heard for the 65 Rally Wheels is known as Shadow Gray. The rocker panels for the 65 are suppose to be Shadow Gray. I’m going on what I’ve heard from a person I would say is a 40 year expert on parts. Im trying help here with a piece of info you can go forward on. You probably know this, but different states have different customs and regulations regarding chemicals /paint, etc. I found a auto supply store in PA that will scan your color from a FLAT shaped item. The colored piece piece you want scanned must lie flat on the counter for the scanner. Sherwin Williams auto paint in Towson MD could not mix flat/matte black car paint. Can you believe that? They tried to mix the flat black but gave me a gloss black. Confirm with someone who is in the know on the ROA Tech specialist list on the Shadow Gray. Turbinator 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZRIV Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 No need to reinvent the wheel where (no pun intended). Just use #285 Rebuilders Cast Finish Gray or Seymour Cast Blast gray. Both are nearly identical and are an excellent match for the 65/66 and early 67 wheels. even if you did find a formula for mixing the paint there will be variation due to the constant changing of ingredients to meet EPA regulations and availability. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965rivgs Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) Buick published the paint mix formula in a `66 or `67 service bulletin but Jason is correct in that the ingredients are long obsolete. Regarding rattle can paint in general...I recently had a conversation with antique auto component rebuilder who insists on having his "chassis black" mixed at a local paint supplier. His reasoning based on feedback from his customers is that rattle can paints are heavy on pigment and short on carrier or solvent. They are heavy on pigment to get "up front" coverage but the lack of solvent in the mix causes their product not to flow out well, masking details like stamped part numbers, etc...and resulting in a finish that doesnt hold up well to repeated cleanings. I`m not a paint expert, just passing on the info he provided. Tom Mooney Edited October 4, 2023 by 1965rivgs (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Mr. JSFRAME (for lack of a name) if you'll check the "Tech Sources" page in the latest Riview, you'll find the contact information for Carl Blackard. He's the ROA Tech Advisor for Paint and Body. He sits on the tech panel at every ROA meet. If you're not an ROA member, then I don't know how to help you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jframe Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, RivNut said: Mr. JSFRAME (for lack of a name) if you'll check the "Tech Sources" page in the latest Riview, you'll find the contact information for Carl Blackard. He's the ROA Tech Advisor for Paint and Body. He sits on the tech panel at every ROA meet. If you're not an ROA member, then I don't know how to help you. 10-4, I'll check him out. I am a member; #15032 Thanks, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, jframe said: I am a member; #15032 Another relative newbie! We're out there … 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 One thing that helps the rest of us is for everyone to use a given name, let us know where you live, and your ROA member number. Put it in you Avatar or signature. Dont let us think that you're a freeloader just looking for a handout. 😊 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 On 2/17/2020 at 8:59 AM, 1965rivgs said: Buick published the paint mix formula in a `66 or `67 service bulletin but Jason is correct in that the ingredients are long obsolete. Regarding rattle can paint in general...I recently had a conversation with antique auto component rebuilder who insists on having his "chassis black" mixed at a local paint supplier. His reasoning based on feedback from his customers is that rattle can paints are heavy on pigment and short on carrier or solvent. They are heavy on pigment to get "up front" coverage but the lack of solvent in the mix causes their product not to flow out well, masking details like stamped part numbers, etc...and resulting in a finish that doesnt hold up well to repeated cleanings. I`m not a paint expert, just passing on the info he provided. Tom Mooney Tom, I talked to a Body Fender shop owner, who has been in the biz most of his working life, about rattle can paint not holding up. The gent agreed that generally the rattle can paint doesn’t hold up as well as two stage cured paint work. The gent went on to say UPOL makes super rattle can products he uses for primer spot repair. I bought some UPOL aerosol primer and the stuff is really good. If, time and inclination to powder coat comes up powder coating is a great way to go. I powder coat the webs and sides on the vanes on the 63/64 cast aluminum turbines and they turn out real good for ease of care and wear. Good topic. Turbinator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallJohn Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just saw the paint formula you want in the Riview Vol 3 #2 page 10. hope that helps... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 8 hours ago, TallJohn said: Just saw the paint formula you want in the Riview Vol 3 #2 page 10. hope that helps... Mr TallJohn, thank you for searching out a tall order. Some of this information is real hard to find, but you went right to the place get the info. Thank you Turbinator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted "Wildcat65" Nagel Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Has anybody used the mask for the wheels available on eBay? Also thinking about asking a powder coat expert if the finish could be powder coated, ROA 1690 Ted Nagel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 I'd say that powder coating really isn't necessary. The wheels on my Riviera appear to have the original charcoal paint and look very good. The painted area is pretty well protected and isn't prone to stone chips, etc. Any scratches are usually caused by careless wrenching on the lug nuts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 45 minutes ago, Ted "Wildcat65" Nagel said: Has anybody used the mask for the wheels available on eBay? Also thinking about asking a powder coat expert if the finish could be powder coated, ROA 1690 Ted Nagel I have not, but it didn't take long to mask off my wheels with blue painter's tape and cut the profiles with an Exacto knife. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 On 3/1/2020 at 9:26 AM, Ted "Wildcat65" Nagel said: Has anybody used the mask for the wheels available on eBay? Also thinking about asking a powder coat expert if the finish could be powder coated, ROA 1690 Ted Nagel I’m not a powder coat expert, but I’m getting experience powder coating. Prismatic Powders has a phenomenal selection of colors for powder coating. Prismatic will send a sample of whatever color you want for $6. The sample comes in a couple of days. Turbinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I just finished 5 wheels for my 66GS . Followed Jason Zerbini's advice ( always good! ) of the Seymour Gray Cast rattle can . Taped them with blue tape. Very pleased at color - taping is another story but good enough for government work. KReed ROA 14549 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jframe Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, kreed said: I just finished 5 wheels for my 66GS . Followed Jason Zerbini's advice ( always good! ) of the Seymour Gray Cast rattle can . Taped them with blue tape. Very pleased at color - taping is another story but good enough for government work. KReed ROA 14549 That really looks good! What size redlines did you go with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Thanks 220/70 r15. KReed ROA 14549 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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