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Pre War parts are drying up...

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40 minutes ago, 60FlatTop said:

I have been reading periodicals and throwing them out after reading

 Instead of recycling the magazines I offer them up free to car friends. When they are done picking through them I give them to people in the hospital or nursing home. Sometimes forgetting one at the doctor's or dentist's office. My next step will be to offer them up at cruise ins. I hate to throw them out.

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3 hours ago, 60FlatTop said:

I used to follow up on local parts ads that led me to believe more parts might be available. It worked well. A lot of times I would ask "How much for everything in the garage? It will be cleared out by Saturday." I remember three times when I sold the contents of buildings I stored the non-sale items in a lump. Those were the parts I couldn't sell.

It has been a few years since I bought out a hoarder. Mainly, it costs too much to sell and space has become more valuable to me.

2019 was probably the year I have thrown out the most stuff ever. Twenty to forty pounds every Tuesday makes for an appreciable amount of free space in the garage. And I have been reading periodicals and throwing them out after reading, that's a big one.

 

I still sell some items, but I get weary of the buyer who imagines my parts are in a colorful tent beside a camel caravan route and needs to haggle over every nickel. They even use the same words their TV hero uses. They cry, plead poverty, demean themselves in all manners, and then brag to their friends about the deal they got. Seen it too many times. Tell them they are cheap and they get offended, pulling a roll of cash out of their pocket, wave it around, and ask "Who you calling cheap?". Then stick the roll back in their pocket without peeling off a dollar. (If you are smiling you know him. Three guesses and I bet I get his name).

 

Weary. The buyers have made me weary. And that's how my parts dried up.

I still say there are a lot of people in the old car hobby who pick their car like they would a costume.

 

Bernie

I had a fellow send his good looking wife/girlfriend  over to my vending spot trying to get a better deal. He came running over after he realized it was the wrong part stopping her from buying it.    

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The problem of loose parts and clutter are why I always try to keep the whole car right up to the end.  It's a better method than what most people do as long as you have space and don't run come to the attention of local authority's.

Stripping a car and storing parts ensures that eventually most of those same parts some day end in scrap , and you probably store, trip over and move them for a decade or more thinking they are of value. If you keep a parts car reasonably intact a potential buyer can see right away if you have the part and what condition it is in. 

Every once and a while someone might even want to buy the whole thing. 

Sell parts off it for 1, 2, 3 years or whatever is your preference than scrap what's left. It's worked for me for years.

 

Greg in Canada

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Have been looking for a bracket that holds the 1909 to 12 E&J carbide tank to the running board with no luck. So I borrowed a real nice one and made an assembly fixture for the part and made one. So today I started making a few more to put on the shelf for future use or if someone wants one. I do not call it hoarding but keeping busy.  

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Is that E&J bracket for your '12 T? If I could afford the carbide generator I'd be in the market for your bracket. Bob 

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Yes for the 12 T and already have to make one for a friend. The fixture is crude but it worked out good as all three points are spot on. Spent most of the time on the mill cutting the strips down to 1 3/16 wide. If you ever need one Bob let me know.

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Nice bracket! This is the Stuart Baumann generator for my 1911 Hupmobile, still wrapped in 1981 newspaper and in the box be shipped it in. Can someone tell me if it was his design or a copy of an old original? Bob 

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Hope everyone is keeping an eye on the thread started by PKHAMMER - "Museum Parts Collection mostly pre-war goodies" under the Parts For Sale category. 

Looking at the responses there seems to be a natural filtration system in place - he bought a load, as has already been pointed out, much is unsorted or unidentified, so he is probably going to move it out in lots and make a reasonable amount on a big pile rather than waiting for someone with the right car to find that single illusive part he can retire on. 

I see it happening that way a lot. Judging from the responses he is getting, it is working as he will have the chance to sell stuff in categories.  The carbs will go to specialist who can identify and move the stuff along to the right buyer.  Headlamps have created interest among several people already.  I know of the hoard and it's a lot of stuff.  I'm just patiently waiting for a few good old spark plugs to surface.  Hope he will remember me. 

But - back to the original statement that "prewar parts are drying up" my response in - NO.  Looking into the bottom of my scotch bottle I see the future - more and more old loads/hoards will be on the market as the old timers die off or downsize.  It's happening now.  Within the past couple of weeks I've purchased some great items off ebay, and in talking with the sellers, they are doing just that - downsizing and thinning out. 

Judging from what I'm seeing with PKHAMMER's load of stuff, the demand is there and it'll all get redistributed-some in wholesale lots-but it does find a new home, and even if it only gets moved along to another seller, it's still available. 

Now, back to American Pickers.

Terry

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I am glad I sold off parts for vehicles I no longer owned to finance a project and my family knows the parts I have are for the vehicles I own,there are probably some parts still here that I forgotten about but all the stuff worth money has found new homes.

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20 hours ago, Terry Bond said:

Hope everyone is keeping an eye on the thread started by PKHAMMER - "Museum Parts Collection mostly pre-war goodies" under the Parts For Sale category. 

Looking at the responses there seems to be a natural filtration system in place - he bought a load, as has already been pointed out, much is unsorted or unidentified, so he is probably going to move it out in lots and make a reasonable amount on a big pile rather than waiting for someone with the right car to find that single illusive part he can retire on. 

I see it happening that way a lot. Judging from the responses he is getting, it is working as he will have the chance to sell stuff in categories.  The carbs will go to specialist who can identify and move the stuff along to the right buyer.  Headlamps have created interest among several people already.  I know of the hoard and it's a lot of stuff.  I'm just patiently waiting for a few good old spark plugs to surface.  Hope he will remember me. 

But - back to the original statement that "prewar parts are drying up" my response in - NO.  Looking into the bottom of my scotch bottle I see the future - more and more old loads/hoards will be on the market as the old timers die off or downsize.  It's happening now.  Within the past couple of weeks I've purchased some great items off ebay, and in talking with the sellers, they are doing just that - downsizing and thinning out. 

Judging from what I'm seeing with PKHAMMER's load of stuff, the demand is there and it'll all get redistributed-some in wholesale lots-but it does find a new home, and even if it only gets moved along to another seller, it's still available. 

Now, back to American Pickers.

Terry

  Thanks Terry -you are 100% correct in your observations and assumptions. I WANT to move these parts along to the right buyers and hopefully at the end of the day into the hands of the collectors/restorers that will put them to use. We hauled the last of it today, four of us worked our butts off! We had an entire 8' pickup load of nothing but NOS pistons! We moved shelves full of early tube type radios, NOS mufflers, etc, etc. Anybody that has done this knows how much work it is and what it costs in fuel, time, help, and wear and tear on trucks and trailers. of course I want to make a little money at the end of the day but equally important to me is that this stuff that hasn't seen the light of day for many years gets to where it belongs. I'll keep the thread going and post photos as I go through the hoard. Some of the larger items will be challenging to ship but I can deliver parts to Carlisle and Hershey. I can't wait for Hershey..........:)

  I am getting quite a bit of interest and I hope that continues as I open the boxes and discover new items. Yes Terry, I will remember you if I find some great spark plugs! I am keeping a list of everybody's wants/needs that have sent me PMs and will inform people if I find something they might want. Thanks for the interest from everybody!

  As far as parts supply drying up, I agree with Terry to a point. More and more parts collections are becoming available as some of the older collectors/restorers die off. However MY concern is the demand for parts is dying off along with these older collectors. That's what I see in the bottom of my bourbon bottle!

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This thread is about pre - war parts. And the general consensus.... there are masses of pre - war parts out there is really only partially true in my experience. 1939 back to about 1925 and yes , there are literally tons and tons of parts.

But mid 20's back to 1916 ; nickel era stuff , sees a sharp falling off. Then a further plunge once you enter the brass era. 

You would almost expect to see a proportional decline, twice as old - 1/2 the volume but experience tells me this is not true.  Definitely less than 10%  { more like 2% - 5 % } of the volume of 1930 "s parts I see are brass era.  Both the depression and WW2 

must have seen a huge quantity of  Brass era cars and parts scrapped.  NOTE !! I am excluding Model T Ford parts in these generalisations, still lots of 1916 -25 T stuff around.  T's are almost a separate hobby in themselves.

The " Museum Parts Collection " photo's I have seen so far look to be heavily weighted toward 1925 and newer. I think the same will apply to nearly every similar parts treasure trove still to be uncovered.

The really sad thing in my opinion is that when similar troves fall into the hands of non - car family members they will have no idea how rare the early stuff is. After all for the most part old car parts all look about the same. And early stuff is just as likely 

to end up in the scrap bin as 38 Plymouth sedan parts. No offense to those of you who treasure your late 1930's Plymouths.

 

Greg in Canada

 

 

 

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On 2/13/2020 at 8:24 PM, alsancle said:

 

The parts were sold off and they are still available from another vendor.  I forget the name.   I've told this story before,  but back in the 50s there was still a lot of ACD stuff mixed in with the Graham and Hupp parts.  My dad got a ton of NOS Auburn/Cord/Duesenberg parts from there.   We just used up our last NOS Duesenberg Master Cylinder that came out of there back in 1957.  My dad bought 12 of them.

Felix said that in the shipping of parts to Broken Arrow, they got a few non-ACD items, and we know from personal experience that the cache in Auburn had a few ACD items in their mix.   Makes perfect sense.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Mike Dube said:

Felix said that in the shipping of parts to Broken Arrow, they got a few non-ACD items, and we know from personal experience that the cache in Auburn had a few ACD items in their mix.   Makes perfect sense.

 

 

Correct, just as the building across the street and down form ACD museum was largely Graham and Huppmobile, but id have Auburn and Cord parts in it too. 

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