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Any modern cars you admire, or aspire to acquire?

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On 1/15/2020 at 3:19 PM, John_S_in_Penna said:

I like the Porsche Boxster,

Seeing you can not do an oil change on one of these at jiffy lube or such place where only the dealer can. I highly doubt they will ever be restored becoming through away like your average dishwasher. 

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30 minutes ago, Joe in Canada said:

Seeing you can not do an oil change on one of these at jiffy lube or such place where only the dealer can. I highly doubt they will ever be restored becoming through away like your average dishwasher. 

If jiffy can't do a simple oil change, fuel filter, spark plug, air filter. etc. they shouldn't be in business. Easy job if you know what you are doing. Any big  repair on the engine the engine just drops out the bottom. VW's and Porsches have been doing that for decades. 

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19 hours ago, capngrog said:

 

Now THAT is a good looking car.  Does it drive as great as it looks?

 

Cheers,

Grog

The car is a great driving and handling car. Very solid build quality. It drives like a Mercedes should when you are just cruising around town, then when asked for it is an animal and still drives comfortably. All depends on the driving modes. Lots of options to play with for track, highway and street. The sounds it makes are right out of hot rod heaven when you want.  I am an ex SCCA racer and this car does it all.

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22 hours ago, Steve_Mack_CT said:

but will likely buy one off lease which works great for me.

 

About 60% of new car "sales" are lease now. And a clean, low mileage, babied 36 month lease turn in has a price of about 60% of new. There are some great cars out there.

 

In four weeks I will have two years owning this 2003 V12.

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I have a little over $10,000 in it counting just under $1,000 in diagnostic tools to keep an eye on the 140 computers. It is one of 700 of the 12's imported into the US at $125,000 that year. I love it. Great price because people are scared to death to own one. I bought it as a daily driver for my decade of my 70's. Probably going to keep it longer.

In 1974 I started working with operational output computers as my daily job so I am excited and intrigued by the technology.

Daily driving my wife's Tahoe. The BMW is in the garage on the lift and I have been polishing the waffled aluminum heat shields along the exhaust. My wife seams to be figuring out that I may have used the term "daily driver" a little loosely. I heard her muttering to herself.

Bernie

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20 hours ago, Matt Harwood said:

There will just be too many really nice, well-optioned, really fast late-model muscle cars laying around in perfect condition. The good news it'll be great for price and availability and hopefully people will continue to enjoy them. 

 

And they will still be desirable.

There are still a million Ford Model A cars out there and yet they are still desirable and still bring a lot of money for what they are.

 

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12 hours ago, 8E45E said:

I've run out of hands and fingers to count how many ultra-low mileage 1978 Corvette Pace Cars and 25th Anniversary cars are around despite them being over 40 years old now.

 

Craig

 

This is another case where there are probably more now than ever produced.

 

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8 hours ago, Steve_Mack_CT said:

Agree with Matt.  Anything new or close to new has the same chances of being a good long term investment as cars have historically been, very very unusual.

 

With that out of the way, obviously some of us find some newer stufc interesting.  I will likely spend my disposable/hobby $ on old cars, but have thought from time to time how cool it may be to buy a car you really like new and keep it long term.  I would drive vs. Stash away, the F type Jag comes to mind.  But tough to justify when its financially generaly a better move to go with any number of collector cars for same buy in.

 

I didn't think we were talking about investments.

I thought this was about desirability not something to replace your 401k.

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I have had a thing for v12 bmw’s from the 80’s for a while. I don’t know why I like them, but they are about the most modern car I can get excited about. On Christmas Day a buddy handed me a signed title to a very nice looking ‘89 750 that hasn’t been on the road in years. I can’t wait to catch up on some other problems enough to bring it in the shop and find out why it won’t hold any transmission fluid. 

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My point exactly Zeph - 35 Pack articulated my point better than I could.  

 

My thought not so much investment but if I am looking at a new F type vs. an older car, for same buy in purchase price, ins., prop tax & lower depreciation make the antique generally a better proposition financially, but not an investment in either scenario.

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1 hour ago, 60FlatTop said:

 

 

 

In four weeks I will have two years owning this 2003 V12.

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Daily driving my wife's Tahoe. The BMW is in the garage on the lift and I have been polishing the waffled aluminum heat shields along the exhaust. My wife seams to be figuring out that I may have used the term "daily driver" a little loosely. I heard her muttering to herself.

Bernie

Now that's funny! 😁😁

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3 hours ago, Pfeil said:

Easy job if you know what you are doing.

If you have the access to the software and seeing only the dealer can restart it after the work is done. The car is cheap it is the service charges that will kill you. 

 The average cost for a Porsche 911 oil change is between $494 and $515. Labor costs are estimated between $32 and $41 while parts are priced between $462 and $474. Estimate does not include taxes and fees.

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3 minutes ago, Joe in Canada said:

If you have the access to the software and seeing only the dealer can restart it after the work is done. The car is cheap it is the service charges that will kill you. Just go price an oil change and you will see why there are so many newer used ones on the market. 

 

BMW have the service data in the computer, and you can reset it as an end users - e.g I got my brakes done at the local brake shop and replaced the wear sensor myself then you just hold down a button when you start the car to access the resets for everything.

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Matt is Right ..!

Here is what i call my daily boring vehicle,

Since i own this one (6 yrs) NOTHING when wrong.. not even the power hand crank window motor..(me)... I'm A car mechanic . and i DON'T trust any modern computerized vehicle..

i when 6 times to Toronto from CA on one like this and 2 times on this one ..not one issue.

this are the simplest an most reliable vehicles.. anything from 1980 back is my favor car.!

And ...Since i need it a pick up truck ... I made myself one..!20181020_094939.thumb.jpg.521354d8615ffefbb39bf264c9e573be.jpg

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25 minutes ago, Joe in Canada said:

If you have the access to the software and seeing only the dealer can restart it after the work is done. The car is cheap it is the service charges that will kill you. 

 The average cost for a Porsche 911 oil change is between $494 and $515. Labor costs are estimated between $32 and $41 while parts are priced between $462 and $474. Estimate does not include taxes and fees.

I'm a car guy, retired from a auto manufacturer ( engineering) after 34 years, before that I was a dealer Tech and also a flight engineer USNR.

Most car guys I know work on their own cars, those that don't or don't know how have big money or they don't get the job done  or loose interest fast.

Since when does 9 quarts of oil and a cartridge oil filter cost $462.--$474.00 ???  

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I have always wanted one of these since they were brand new (1990) and finally purchased this one in 2009, a 1991 with 28K on the clock. It is the most fun of any (old or new) car I have ever driven and I will never give it up

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I like lots of modern luxury cars as well as muscle cars. Modern muscle fav of mine is the Challenger R/T. Just a base 5.7 Hemi is enough for me.  SRT, Yes but insurance and temptation to stomp on it, get another speeding ticket I can't justify. The Charger R/T is the same, but better ride. Seats suck, so gotta go for the Daytona or SRT to get the good front seats. I drive a 2010 Genesis sedan for everyday and it really works well for a V6. 300 H.P. with instant throttle response, great handling, brakes, etc. Satisfying, but not truly visceral like you get from driving a 1955 Buick Roadmaster!

 

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1 hour ago, Pfeil said:

I'm a car guy, retired from a auto manufacturer ( engineering) after 34 years, before that I was a dealer Tech and also a flight engineer USNR.

Most car guys I know work on their own cars, those that don't or don't know how have big money or they don't get the job done  or loose interest fast.

Since when does 9 quarts of oil and a cartridge oil filter cost $462.--$474.00 ???  

Your best bet is to check it out for yourself seeing nether one of us has a background or experience in pricing.  I just googled the price and I know it is extremely expensive to service a high end car. My sister paid $700 + tax for a battery for her 650 Mercedes from the dealer that she could have bought at NAPA for a fraction of the price. 

  Another way of looking at it is so I drive a high end car and I CAN AFFORD to have the dealer service it for me and not having to do my own work. 

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I really cannot see any newer vehicles that are even a bit exciting.  The only thing I wish I could locate is a 2001 -2005 Chevy Astro with low miles and AWD.  My 2001 is still running good at 195,000 miles and 18 years of ownership.  It has had issues but most I fixed myself.  Been paid for for 13 years.  I don’t really drive all that much anymore(less than 10,000 miles on personal vehicles) so it is hard to justify the cost of even an entry level new car and adding the lack of desire for one I just don’t see me ever getting anything until the Astro desolves to the point of being dangerous.  

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14 hours ago, Ed Luddy said:

I like lots of modern luxury cars as well as muscle cars. Modern muscle fav of mine is the Challenger R/T. Just a base 5.7 Hemi is enough for me.  SRT, Yes but insurance and temptation to stomp on it, get another speeding ticket I can't justify. The Charger R/T is the same, but better ride. Seats suck, so gotta go for the Daytona or SRT to get the good front seats. I drive a 2010 Genesis sedan for everyday and it really works well for a V6. 300 H.P. with instant throttle response, great handling, brakes, etc. Satisfying, but not truly visceral like you get from driving a 1955 Buick Roadmaster!

 

 

Coworker recently bought a Yellow Challenger Super Bee.

Very fast car and tons of fun to drive.

The trans in those cars is the best I have ever experienced for a paddle shifted automatic.

Will it ever be as valuable as the '67 Camaro he also owns?
Probably not.

But there will be plenty of demand for high horsepower limited production, well kept modern muscle cars.

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3 hours ago, Ed Luddy said:

I like lots of modern luxury cars as well as muscle cars. Modern muscle fav of mine is the Challenger R/T. Just a base 5.7 Hemi is enough for me.  SRT, Yes but insurance and temptation to stomp on it, get another speeding ticket I can't justify. The Charger R/T is the same, but better ride. Seats suck, so gotta go for the Daytona or SRT to get the good front seats. I drive a 2010 Genesis sedan for everyday and it really works well for a V6. 300 H.P. with instant throttle response, great handling, brakes, etc. Satisfying, but not truly visceral like you get from driving a 1955 Buick Roadmaster!

 

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I rented a Charger R/T in Texas. It was faaast! So much fun to drive on the highways where the speed limit is 80. 

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This might be fun to buy?? V-10 all wheel drive..  This would be for the wife... I like the old junk..

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If you're concerned with how much you can sell it for, you're not really interested in the car at all. Owning a car, whether it's old new or anywhere in between, is because you like it and want to create memories in it, driving it, even just looking at it. Saying a car is not going to be around because it's popular is one of the most bizarre things I've read on this forum. A popular car is always going to be popular, declaring it won't be the case for modern cars is simply bias and nothing more.

 

There are lots of modern vehicles I want. Just sticking to what's currently in production, I could list a dozen cars. I'd consider a Mustang #1 but I'm not sure logistically it would work...I sat in one at the dealer and my head was touching the ceiling. More my style is the new Ranger. I am not totally sold on a four door pickup... although I prefer it for cars it just doesn't look right for pickups. I'm quite happy with the Edge we are currently leasing. Any Lincoln would be nice too.

Although I will never own a modern Mopar again, I love the looks of the Challenger and Charger. I know I can fit in the Challenger as well. I love the styling of the Rams but I think they are too big, as are the F-150 and Silverado. 

Moving to GM, I like the Colorado a lot. Buick has a wagon, which caught my eye. I sort of like the modern Cadillacs, but not sure if I would pick them over the rest. As a general rule I like the styling of current GM 3rd out of 3, even though I've traditionally favored GM. 

Moving outside the US, the only ones that interest me are Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, Ferrari and the Volkswagen New Beetle. 

Not a fan of Japanese or Korean cars, with the exception of the NSX, but even the current redesign makes it look a little bit pedestrian. 

 

Of course, when you're poor, getting to experience these cars is pretty much limited to sitting in a few of them at the New York International Auto Show.

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13 hours ago, hidden_hunter said:

 

BMW have the service data in the computer, and you can reset it as an end users - e.g I got my brakes done at the local brake shop and replaced the wear sensor myself then you just hold down a button when you start the car to access the resets for everything.

 

Shhhhhhhhh! You start spreading information like that and the prices will surely go up. BMW stands for "Bring My Wallet" and Jaguar drivers laugh about how many times their car caught on fire. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Bernie

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There are always bargains out there both in new and used, just depends on what you want. For me I tend to fixate on more of a type of car, gather all of the information possible (most service manuals on DVD are under $20, downloadable are less, did pay $60 for one for my Jeep (and then had to work with the publisher to make SVG files and Javascript work properly). In 2012 I needed a new tow car (gave my '92 TranSport to my sister) after a lot of research settled on a Jeep Grand Cherokee with pentastar engine, towing package, and not much else. Got many discounts and rebates because SUV craze hadn't taken off yet. Was five years before depreciation caught up with it. Prolly keep for a while since warranty does not run out until 2099/999,999 miles. My only 4 door.

 

That said "modern" cars are now going in directions I have no interest in. Someday the insurance companies will probably require access to trip recorders (same already are). While I like ABS and AC and first computer car (which I reprogrammed) was an '84, do not care for the full nanny cars popular now.

 

Spending waaay to much time (tore biceps muscle so cant lift much) on trying to figure out the computer (Linux variant) in my TV.

 

ps had a BMW (wife wanted one) a '70 2000A. Lost count of the number of times I had to fix a "curbed" (stuck down below bumper) AC compressor.

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I rarely get involved with these topics, but now sitting here waiting for couple of overseas phone calls, why not.

 

Admire ? Aspire to acquire ? 

I am & have always been a analog/all-things-mechanical/vintage car guy through and through, so there's not much, if anything made in past 40+ years I find interesting enough to desire having/owning.

 

I do have a late model ('16) pick-up truck as a daily driver, but like just about all other "modern" vehicles, find driving/using it about as exciting/interesting as an empty cardboard box.

 

Even if I were given a latest & greatest luxury, hypercar or something equally exotic, regardless of brand, rarity or perceived value, I'd likely just sell it immediately, probably even without driving it once and use the funds on something I do find interesting or practical, like a vintage car or real estate and depending on windfall, perhaps even ship one of my vintage cars to some other continent for (vintage) driving vacation to explore scenic back roads and local culture, including that associated with vintage cars, for at least couple of months. 

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