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1933 Studebaker President Barn Find

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I hate it when I cant figure out how to get a photo off my phone messenger service and post it on the web! I had a guy tell me about this 1933 Studebaker he knew about that is in a barn up in northern California. So I asked for information and pictures. He sent me four pictures from his phone to my phone. I downloaded them but cant find where they went! 

Anyway, I am sure he said they want $6000 for the car, it looks pretty straight and all there. He says it is an 8 cylinder car, but did not give me any more info. So I dont know what wheelbase it is. I have no interest in another project car, so if anyone wants to get info, I will share his phone number. He can text the pictures to you!   

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Sure could be a cool project, love the early presidents.. the owner can text photos to 360-320-5778. thanks. Steve

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All 33 Studebaker Presidents are cool and desirable if that is what it really is.

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Easy enough to check, only the Speedway President Model 92 is 135" wheelbase with the 337 ci straight eight.  The Model 82 President is 125" wheelbase with the 250 ci straight eight.    Both interesting rare cars, the former more so than the latter but still worthwhile.  Please, let us know your findings.

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There is an aluminum tag on the side of the firewall if you lift the hood that will also tell you the what series car it is. The tag on our car is embossed and says 92 on it for Model 92 President Speedway.

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9 hours ago, alsancle said:

All 33 Studebaker Presidents are cool and desirable if that is what it really is.

YES! VERY cool indeed.

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If the body tag follows the Pierce-Arrow symbology (Stude owned Pierce until the latter part of 1933), the P means convertible coupe, and 40 denotes the 40th coupe that year.  WOW!  Studebaker gurus, please chime in on the meaning of the body tag.  And the 2 means "Salon" (deluxe trim) in Pierce-speak.

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92-denoted 92 Series President Speedway 

R-Roadster

2-?

40-Is the 40th Roadster built

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This is Dale in Montana I sure would like to know more about this 33 studebaker and see some pictures if anyone can help. dale.tharp@gmail.com / 406 557 611one  Thanks

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1 hour ago, coachJC said:

92-denoted 92 Series President Speedway 

R-Roadster

2-?

40-Is the 40th Roadster built

Oh....

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1 hour ago, coachJC said:

R-Roadster

Coach, you're right, it's an R, not a P.  Pierce also used R for roadster, but not after 1931, whose Model 43 was the last true roadster (i.e., side curtains vs. roll-up windows).  So now I have no idea when Studebaker last produced a "roadster."

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Has any one seen how complete it is and if it has a rumble seat , dual sides , is it a roller? Engine turn over? dale.tharp@gmail.com / 406 557 611one Thanks 

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2 hours ago, Grimy said:

If the body tag follows the Pierce-Arrow symbology (Stude owned Pierce until the latter part of 1933), the P means convertible coupe, and 40 denotes the 40th coupe that year.  WOW!  Studebaker gurus, please chime in on the meaning of the body tag.  And the 2 means "Salon" (deluxe trim) in Pierce-speak.


Yep. Double wow.  There are how many known?  Only a few I think.

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Richard Quinn, the acknowledged expert on pre-war Studebakers, wrote a fine article in the Antique Studebaker Review on the 1933 Model 92 Speedway President.  There were only 651 cars total in seven body styles and two trim levels.    Only 8 survivors are accounted for worldwide.

 

More likely this is a Model 82 President, as noted, 125" wheelbase with a 250 ci straight eight.  For all intents and purposes by specification, it was the 1932 Model 71 Commander restyled and renamed.  There were 1,194 built.

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Here are the pics that were sent to me by Ovalrace25

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Back in the mid-1990s, I located, in the proverbial barn, in Northern California, a 1932 Studebaker President model 91 rumble seat coupe.   If this is the same car, which it could be, I thoroughly checked it out at the time with the intention of buying the car. I confirmed this is a 1932 big block President model 91 rumble seat coupe with dual sidemounts.  Unfortunately, the car needed extensive work, was missing critical parts, and the asking price was $15,000.   If this is the same car, and it is now available for $6,000 the price has improved with age.   I gave up on buying it due to the missing parts and high asking price.  I went on to own two other President’s instead of this one expensive, although unique, 1932 President.   Some of the issues the car had, or still has, is sever rot at the bottom of the body behind the doors, missing rumble seat lid and seats, with the bottom of the rumble seat opening cut away for the truck bed insert, fabric insert on the roof was replaced with a welded on steel panel.  The missing rumble seat lid, seats, and hardware, were because at the end of its life the Studebaker had been made into a truck.     

 

Here are pictures I took of the 1932 President in the barn in the mid-1990s.  

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After showing the pics to my dad he believes that it is an 82 series President. 

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For a number of reasons I think that it's an 82. Significant difference being the wheel base and the smaller straight eight. With just eight surviving 92 Speedways, finding an undocumented survivor would be real news.

 

Studebaker was in the process of downsizing their President models in 1933, but with the success that the big chassis had in the Indianapolis 500, they decided to give the large car one last hurrah. They needn't have bothered, only a little more then 600 were produced. The 82 President was a new iteration of the previous year's Commander, rebadged as President. The Commander based President maybe almost as rare as it's larger sibling, but everything being equal, the "Full Classic" Speedway  should have a higher dollar value.

 

The Depression about did in Studebaker, who went into receivership that year. They maybe the only American car maker to survive the process without govt.  financial help.  Lucky for us Studebaker decided to produce the Classic President for one last year. Their misstep in 1933 gave us one last year to enjoy the last of the "Full Classic" Studebakers.

 

More then thirty five years ago I was able to help a good friend acquire, and restore a five passenger Speedway. I had the somewhat unique opportunity to compare that car to my 1933 Pierce Arrow model 836. Vary similar cars in many respects, and a worthy Classic. Now with another owner, that Studebaker can be viewed, where it is on display at the Studebaker museum in South Bend Indiana.  

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This is Dale in Montana, do we have contact info on the owner of the 33 studebaker yet ? If it is really for sale,if so I need more info and pictures, inside, wood ,seats,dash,floor, engine compartment and info how complete does it turn over? Close up of rockers any glass for patterns, paper work (title) Thanks   dale.tharp@gmail.com / 406 557 611one. 

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Studebaker President's are interesting cars........and the later series are fantastically rare. They drive well, look good, and basicly not well understood by most of the car collecting world. There are a small handful of people who really know them and carry the torch for them. My first barn find back when I was a teenager was a President sedan.........either a 30 or 31........I can't remember. The owner wouldn't even let me look at it, as he didn't want to sell it to some kid.............maybe he thought I wanted to chop it up. What it did do was put me off of Studebaker cars for a very long time. Remember when dealing with young people...........make a good first impression. I went on to Cadillac's and then Pierce Arrow's; Where as a 15 year old kid I was welcomed by all the old time guys who were the foundation of what was built into the old car hobby. 100 pre war cars later, I'm still at it. And if the right Stude comes along, I would buy it. Interesting post.........

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I have asked my contact for more information. He responded today that he will do what he can to get pictures and check the body number as well as wheelbase. Stay Tuned! 

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Since your all discussing 1933 Studebaker Presidents, this one was posted on a FB discussion group recently in September for sale in Northern California. Scroll down past the last picture in the below link and watch the video of this guy revving up the engine so high it feels like he's going to throw a rod right through the block. Absolute Idiot.

 

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Interesting video I ran across on a 1933 Studebaker President Model 82 in Moscow. Not sure what he's saying, but the video is still interesting to watch. Best I can determine the car is owned and used by a place called "La Colline" which is a French Cuisine restaurant in Moscow. Trip Advisor has it listed as the best restaurant in Moscow, and possibly all of Russia. Not sure if the cars history is new with this place or it's always been attached to the restaurant since new. Unfortunately I couldn't understand what he was saying in the video to know the story.

 

https://youtu.be/IJh9HN1G_N0

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Thanks 29StudePrez for posting more pics of other 33 Presidents out there....I Don't need a full car but just some bits and pieces off a couple of these cars would be nice.

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