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What was the purpose of the cowl lamps if the car already had park lamps beneath the headlamps?

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I guess that Packard was using-up excess stock of the older design of the parking lights under the headlights for the 1918 - 1919 models.  The styling department of Packard must have wanted the cowl lights, despite the unnecessary duplication of the parking lights mounted as part of the headlights.

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6 hours ago, Grandpa said:

I guess that Packard was using-up excess stock of the older design of the parking lights under the headlights for the 1918 - 1919 models.  The styling department of Packard must have wanted the cowl lights, despite the unnecessary duplication of the parking lights mounted as part of the headlights.

Thanks Grandpa. This is interesting. So I wonder if the two sets of parking lights worked independent of each other (which would require an additional switch I suppose) or if they both illuminated together?

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On 1/11/2020 at 4:43 PM, GregLaR said:

That is a nice showroom. I wonder where it was?

Maybe if someone knew who White or Humphries were?

White and Humphries were the largest Standard Eight distributors in California.  They even attempted (and built) to build a custom speedster based on the Standard Eight. - Bob

 

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On 1/12/2020 at 2:18 PM, 58L-Y8 said:

Did Standard manufacture their own V-type eight cylinder engine or outsource it from a propriety engine maker?

Standard used the Hershell Spillman V8 engine.  As part of Standard's goal to produce all parts for their cars in-house ,they acquired both the design and manufacturing rights from HS for the HS V8 and built these motors in the former Pittsburgh Model Engine plant, in Pittsburgh. Other than Peerless, which had acquired their own rights to use the HS V8 engine design, other manufactures which used the HS V8 in their cars sourced their engines from the Standard engine factory in Pittsburgh.  - Bob

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Bob

Thank you for answering my question.   I seemed to recall the Standard V8 was credited to Hershell-Spillman but did not know that Standard acquired the manufacturing rights to do so themselves.  Was the Peerless V8 essentially the same or modified in some ways?

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53 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said:

Bob

Thank you for answering my question.   I seemed to recall the Standard V8 was credited to Hershell-Spillman but did not know that Standard acquired the manufacturing rights to do so themselves.  Was the Peerless V8 essentially the same or modified in some ways?

From my research on the HS V8 and the Standard Eight automobile it appears that , while built by different companies (Peerless and Standard Steel Car), the 1915/1916 HS V8s built by Peerless and Standard were very close to being almost identical.  But beginning with the 1917 production year the two engine designs began to deviate from each other as both companies implemented their own improvements to the engine design. - Bob

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On 1/13/2020 at 5:56 PM, nzcarnerd said:

 

 Checking further I see the last of the big sixes also had them - pic from a 1916 movie. 

 

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The Standard Eight did not use the dual front headlight design until the 1917 production year. The first 10 or so developmental cars build in 1915-1916 had single style front headlights

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24 minutes ago, vwlfan said:

From my research on the HS V8 and the Standard Eight automobile it appears that , while built by different companies (Peerless and Standard Steel Car), the 1915/1916 HS V8s built by Peerless and Standard were very close to being almost identical.  But beginning with the 1917 production year the two engine designs began to deviate from each other as both companies implemented their own improvements to the engine design. - Bob

Thank you for enlarging on the subject.   It would make sense that the separate companies would begin to make improvements to the design as they saw fit.  Did Hershell-Spillman continue to build and supply the V8 in its original form to other car makers in parallel with Peerless and Standard making their versions?

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6 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said:

Thank you for enlarging on the subject.   It would make sense that the separate companies would begin to make improvements to the design as they saw fit.  Did Hershell-Spillman continue to build and supply the V8 in its original form to other car makers in parallel with Peerless and Standard making their versions?

Actually it appears that other than design and prototype engine versions HS did not manufacture any of the production V8 engines at their facilities  ( HS did produce all of their 4 and 6 cylinder engines). Peerless built HS V8 variants for themselves and Standard Steel manufactured and supplied their HS V8 variant for themselves and all other auto makers who might have used the HS V8. - Bob

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Thanks for the enlightenment, sounds as if H-S essentially developed the V8 then outsourced its manufacture to others.  Wonder if they had a royalty contract with Standard to receive some dollar amount for every engine sold to others who used it?

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11 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said:

Thanks for the enlightenment, sounds as if H-S essentially developed the V8 then outsourced its manufacture to others.  Wonder if they had a royalty contract with Standard to receive some dollar amount for every engine sold to others who used it?

I don’t believe there was any royalty arrangement to HS. All the rights to the HS V8 were fully vested to Standard Steel as part of the purchase.  Thus Standard Steel was the only producer of the HS V8 for all other brand uses ( Peerless excludes) with all monies for sales going to Standard Steel Car Co - Bob

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Did H-S sell the rights to a very fine designed V8 in your experience?

What other carmakers sourced the V8 from Standard? 

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1 hour ago, 58L-Y8 said:

Did H-S sell the rights to a very fine designed V8 in your experience?

What other carmakers sourced the V8 from Standard? 

Some other makes I have encountered which used the Standard Steel Car produced HS V8 include  (and I am sure there are others):

 

Abbott-Detroit
Anderson
Apperson
Common Sense Tractor
Daniels (I have seen Daniels listed as using their own V8 design also)
Douglas
Drummond
Murray
Rock Falls
Ross

 

Bob

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