1917 vs. 1918 E-49

[Morgan Wright]

Does anybody have grease cups like these, and if so, what year is your car? There are 2 types, one just a cup and one with a thumb twister thingy on it.

 

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[DonMicheletti]

Me E-45 has both types n various places

[AussieBuick]

Similar to a Lunkenheimer T style or is it a screw down feed thingy....?

 

[Larry Schramm]

I believe that the first one is either an aftermarket or/replacement from another car for a lost grease cup on a Buick. 

 

The second style is the only type that I have seen on any of my cars and I have several and looked at many more of that vintage. 

 

I do have some of the first type that I have purchased when I purchased a box of them a few years ago.

Edited January 6, 2020 by Larry Schramm (see edit history)

[Larry Schramm]

16 hours ago, Ben P. said:

The first one with the tab on top is listed and pictured in the parts-book for the 1918 4-cyl models as No. 000 - part number: 1523.

4 of them were used on the steering knuckles, 4 more on the front spring shackles and various other places. They match what is on my car.

 

(I lent out my original parts-book, so the picture below is from a poor xerox copy. BTW, these parts-books are a major PITA. They very carefully illustrate each part only once - but there is NO rhyme or reason as to WHERE they chose to illustrate it. Rarely does the illustration appear with the first listing of a multiple use part.)

 

News to me.  Learn something new every day.  Still have not seen one on any of my vehicles.

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[Morgan Wright]

I looked in the 1918 picture parts book for 6 cylinder cars, and did not find grease cups listed, but you can see one on the transmission, and it HAS the twister thingy:

 

 

[Morgan Wright]

Here is a close up

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[Morgan Wright]

My parts E-49 is 1918 and has all twisty grease cups, the 1917 E-49 has the old style cups. And before people tell me there were no 1917 E-49's let's put that to rest with these documents which actually tell the production for both years:

 

 

[Morgan Wright]

[Morgan Wright]

Here is a comparison of the 1917 E-49 owners manual dated Jan. 1917, and a 1918 E-49 manual dated Aug., 1917:

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[Morgan Wright]

Sales brochure for 1917 Buick cars.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1917-Buick-Sales-Catalog/153424275646?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D43a58221a0b8427b81dbe7a521b424c3%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D153424275646%26itm%3D153424275646%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A7d875ffe-34aa-11ea-b7ed-74dbd180b048|parentrq%3A9621062716f0a4e8e0b11f35ff76d518|iid%3A1

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[Morgan Wright]

Tire sizes according to a 1939 Buick document:

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[Morgan Wright]

Buick Master parts list 1931

 

 

 

 

 

The "Blue Book" of the National Used Car Market Report

 

Edited June 6, 2020 by Morgan Wright (see edit history)

[Morgan Wright]

 

 

 

 

Note below the E-49 was being shown with D series cars, no other E car existed yet.

 

Edited January 16, 2020 by Morgan Wright (see edit history)

[Morgan Wright]

Thanks Terry

[Morgan Wright]

The Red Book says my 1917 E-49 is only worth $127

 

If I lie and say it's a 1918, it's worth $195. I can get a cool extra $58 for it!!

Edited September 24, 2021 by Morgan Wright (see edit history)

[Morgan Wright]

The Blue Book. For future readers who find this thread:

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[Stu Allen]

My E-34 with 3974 miles has both types of grease cups. I doubt they have ever been changed.

Stu

[Morgan Wright]

Terry Dunham's "The Buick A Complete History" had 2 authors, the first edition of the book came out in 1980, before the April 1998 edition of the Bugle which I uploaded above, in which Terry Dunham himself and another author published how they discovered the E-49 was originally a 1917 model, I don't know why he wasn't able to correct that error in the next 6 editions of his book, or when he died, or what the other author or publisher did to prevent the correction in later edietions.

[MrEarl]

Finally took the time to read the Bugle article by Mac Blair you uploaded above Morgan. I find it fascinating that you actually own a '17 E-49, the subject of his article. Perhaps a few pictures of it could be added here.

[MrEarl]

22 minutes ago, Ben P. said:

Can you legitimately call it a 1917? Yes — if the State you live in titles it as a 1917. But under no other circumstance.

well that certainly carries the subject  to a whole new level doesn’t it. Good point Ben. 

[Grimy]

9 minutes ago, Ben P. said:

An old house recently slipped through my fingers to a flipper because I couldn’t find an attorney willing to take on the Historic District Commission.

Open and shut case - I wanted to demolish a hideous 1950’s ‘modern’ addition some hyena slapped onto a masterfully built 1860 gabled Italianate. Made it look like an airport tower. For two years that house sat on the market and for two years I couldn’t get an attorney to take those buzzards on. Now, you’d think the ‘historic commission’ would be for returning the structure to its original state.

Ben, I trust you remember the "remuddling" page in Old House Journal....fortunately it was the last page before the back cover.

[MrEarl]

Not sure what Groucho Marx has to to do with it but it would be interesting to hear what is on the legal title. 

[Morgan Wright]

2 hours ago, Ben P. said:

 

So what does the title say? 🙃

Lastly, what does the title say?

Let us know how it goes with New York State changing it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

State titles are a different story. We are talking about model years according to contemporary Buick literature. But the title was 1917 and still is. Here is a pic with you in the background.

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[Morgan Wright]

6 hours ago, MrEarl said:

Finally took the time to read the Bugle article by Mac Blair you uploaded above Morgan. I find it fascinating that you actually own a '17 E-49, the subject of his article. Perhaps a few pictures of it could be added here.

 

Most E-49's are 1917. To be exact, 10,505 of them. There were only 5,643 in the 1918 model year. This adds up to 16,148 figure that Buick gave in 1943 when they lumped them together. These figures come from the Buick literature from the teens that I loaded above. But here's a couple of pics anyway:

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[Guest Ben P.]

1 hour ago, Morgan Wright said:

 

 

State titles are a different story. We are talking about model years according to contemporary Buick literature. But the title was 1917 and still is. Here is a pic with you in the background.

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Well there it is then.

Registration at least, and state registration would never contradict the title itself so there you have it. An indisputable 1917 E-49.

(Why did you not answer that question the 20 other times I asked it every time this came up in the last year and a half?)