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I guess this will be common place for a few years until they get the bugs Ironed out.

 

Megabuck Charger to the rescue.

 

 

The surprising moment 15 Teslas wait in line to be charged in California on Thanksgiving as drivers navigate across the country for the holiday season

  • Footage showed a long line of Teslas waiting to reach a charging station in San Luis Obispo, California
  • The video was taken on Thanksgiving day and showed around 15 cars backed up near the Madonna Inn
  • Tesla delivered a Megapack charger to the area that was supposed to help lessen the influx waiting cars at Supercharger Stations during holiday travels
  • Globally, there are 14,497 Superchargers contained in 1,636 Supercharger Stations

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Benefits of AACA Membership.

Hope they don't have a brown out when everyone turns on their electric ovens to roast the Bird as they are outlawing natural gas in new homes I heard so you have to use electric. 

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1 hour ago, auburnseeker said:

Hope they don't have a brown out when everyone turns on their electric ovens to roast the Bird as they are outlawing natural gas in new homes I heard so you have to use electric. 

 

Where did you hear or read this? Who is outlawing in new homes natural gas? Are you talking about externally supplied propane as opposed to natural gas supplied by a utility provider? Local municipalities? 

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8 minutes ago, WQ59B said:

 

Thanks, interesting article. Good for electricians on the new construction, and not so good for plumbers. The the quote at the end of the article sums everything up

 

“If I were given the chance and if it were a choice of gas or electric, I would choose gas because it’s what I’m used to,” he said. “But in all honesty, it’s not the end of the world.” 

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No denying it's coming, but the last quote shows the simple fact that it's all a matter of choice at this point.

 

Once they get things perfected (how many years from now?), when the pros outweigh the cons and better design features are in place, then we MIGHT see that significant shift as the majority of the masses will be on board (not a Genie though so there's that..). Still, the bottom lines are affordability and practicality for most households... without those parts of the equation it's always going to be a choice as opposed to a need. Sure it's not the end of the world when talking gas appliances but for automobiles one can't help consider other factors that make it less feasible currently. To compare an automobile need to an appliance need is not really a fair comparison but for the sake of discussion....

 

Will the manufactures and others in control of where the electric car market leads us be concerned about the average household needs (affordability and practicality) ? That "need" is still un-met and may never be... time will tell. For now, it's obvious the interest in serving the consumer seems to be geared toward the upper class households. Now, if they want to force this on everyone then dare I say we will see a whole new level of poverty on the streets as families struggle even further to stay afloat (along with forced regulation and taxes that will follow you can bet)... 

 

It is indeed interesting where we are currently with pros and cons on both sides. Still, if you want to take advantage of a huge tax payer funded purchase as part of the upper class it looks like you still have plenty of time. Merry Christmas !

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/manufacturers-pushing-latest-developments-electric-cars-los-angeles/story?id=67189267

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2 hours ago, auburnseeker said:

Hope they don't have a brown out when everyone turns on their electric ovens to roast the Bird as they are outlawing natural gas in new homes I heard so you have to use electric. 

 

Might make for a long trip back home ….

 

Image result for pushing electric car

 

 

 

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More than that, Johnson bar is also used for reversing.

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17 hours ago, padgett said:

More than that, Johnson bar is also used for reversing.

 

And neutral  :)

 

Steam engines are fascinating seeming simple but very complex beasts, valve linkage alone is practically a science in and of itself.  I'll refrain from taking this any further off-topic, apologies to the OP.

 

-Ron

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Bottom line: the dedicated infrastructure required to support millions of electric cars does not exist. What we have today is cobbled up from existing facilities & ones I see are rarely in use.

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1 hour ago, padgett said:

Bottom line: the dedicated infrastructure required to support millions of electric cars does not exist. What we have today is cobbled up from existing facilities & ones I see are rarely in use.

 

It does exist, maybe just not where you are.

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I'm inclined to agree with Mr P.  How many watts does a charging car draw? The county I live has about 1/2 million vehicles. What if they were all electric and all got plugged in at people's homes at 8 pm. I think it would overload the grid, blow transformers.

 

Our best asset is a nuclear power plant at 2.2 megawatts. Two units at 1,100 kw each. How many cars could charge simultaneously with that?

 

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Piece I just read within the week said Tesla has about 1,636 charging stations.
Gas vehicles have 168,000 stations to chose from.

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wait in line?     15 cars ahead of me?

 

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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6 hours ago, WQ59B said:

Piece I just read within the week said Tesla has about 1,636 charging stations.
Gas vehicles have 168,000 stations to chose from.

Those are Tesla built charging stations.  You can charge a Tesla at ANY available charging station, the time to charge will be longer that it would be at a Tesla charger.  You can even plug it in to any 110 v outlet if you really have time on your hands.  Tesla is unique in that it addresses charging requirements as part of the EV experience by building charging stations, VW is expected to do the same.

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1 hour ago, TerryB said:

 

I remember reading before I retired that the National Electrical Code was about to require that electrical charging provisions had to be installed in all new residential housing. This was a few years back.  

 

Electric cars is not the big change that we will have to accept, but driver-less technology, is real close to becoming part of our everyday life. I just got this AAA e-magazine article 

 

https://magazine.northeast.aaa.com/daily/life/cars-trucks/the-future-of-self-driving-cars/?mqsc=ED4104369&utm_source=WhatCountsEmail&utm_medium=AAA_ListAAA%20Daily&utm_campaign=Dec03_Daily19_Tues 

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1 minute ago, 39BuickEight said:

Birdseye invented frozen food before anybody had a freezer.

He should have invited the freezer first.

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A local re-use it shop, a version of Goodwill stores except this one is church run, put in an EV charging station and given we are in Lancaster County PA it’s located next to the tie up area for horse and buggy store patrons.  Talk about new tech meeting old tech!

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1 minute ago, TerryB said:

He should have invited the freezer first.

 

He also needed freezers for transportation. I don't think he had the resources for that, The Post family did and bought him out 

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In 1920 there were 1750 electric delivery vehicles operating within the city limits of Chicago and somehow they all got charged as needed.

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5 hours ago, TerryB said:

Gas vehicles have 168,000 stations to chose from.

 

168,000 charging stations will not replace those 168,000 gas stations. Take the average square footage of a gas stations' property, there isn't enough available space to park the number of cars that need to stop for at least a few hours every few hours. It takes roughly 5 minutes to refill a standard passenger vehicles' gas tank -- see where I'm going with this?

 

A coarse estimation based on refill time, a gas station with est. 10 or 12 pumps can fill 100 cars per hour, a Tesla station with equal number of hookups, can fill about 5 cars per hour, including the people that say "screw it I have enough to get home" and leave before fully charged. Based on the above abstract :) they'll need 3.2 million charging stations. They have 16,000? yeah that's 0.5% of the requirement. Add in the typical I/C vehicle has twice as much range and it looks even worse for the EV.

 

The politicians pushing this want us riding public transit, that will be the breakthrough solution to fix this impending disaster. Cars would again be "play things for the few and the very few", to quote an old publication.

-Ron

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12 hours ago, mike6024 said:

I'm inclined to agree with Mr P.  How many watts does a charging car draw? The county I live has about 1/2 million vehicles. What if they were all electric and all got plugged in at people's homes at 8 pm. I think it would overload the grid, blow transformers.

 

Our best asset is a nuclear power plant at 2.2 megawatts. Two units at 1,100 kw each. How many cars could charge simultaneously with that?

 

 

It doesn't really matter when the car is plugged in: All the cars I've read about can be set to charge during specified hours. So you set your car to start charging at midnight no matter when you plug it in. I picked midnight as that is when the "super off peak" rates go into effect for "time of use" (TOU) billing for my utility.

 

The nice thing about charging at home is you only have to charge enough for the miles you travel each day. Just plug the car in when you get home and it will be "topped off" the next morning. The energy needed depends on the efficiency of the vehicle and the distance you drive it. Looking around on the web it seems that 4 miles/kWh seems to be typical for current EVs. If you have a 40 mile round trip commute to work then you'll be putting in 10 kWh overnight. Assume you want to do that between midnight and 6 AM (that is when my local utility has the cheapest power when you are on a TOU billing plan) then you'll need 14 amps at 110 volts for 6 hours. That is far less than your home air conditioner draws in the afternoon and early evening. So one or even two EVs per household being charged during off hours could easily be supported by the current electrical system.

 

If you decide to pay for a 220v home charging station which are typically capable of more than twice the output of the 110v ones (dedicated wiring rather than using a 15 amp outlet), you still are putting no more demand on the grid than your home air conditioner but you are doing it during off peak hours actually leveling out the load on the grid and making it easier for the utility to manage. And with a 220v charger you can put in something like 80 to 100 miles worth of charge per night.

 

If you take a longer trip, up to 300 miles round trip for the better current EVs, then an overnight charge will still get you to work the next day. And little by little the car will charge itself up to full over the course of the next week or two. Or if you have a 220v charger you'll be topped back up in a few days.

 

For trips longer than 300 miles you'll need to recharge on the road at a public charging station. The better currently shipping EVs can get a 80% charge in about 20 minutes. The point being you don't need a public charging station at every corner to fill up the car like you do with a gasoline powered vehicle. I am actually surprised that companies are bothering to put in charging stations that seem to be targeted for local driving where the big real need is for long distance driving.

 

2 minutes ago, Locomobile said:

 

168,000 charging stations will not replace those 168,000 gas stations. Take the average square footage of a gas stations' property, there isn't enough available space to park the number of cars that need to stop for at least a few hours every few hours. It takes roughly 5 minutes to refill a standard passenger vehicles' gas tank -- see where I'm going with this?

 

A coarse estimation based on refill time, a gas station with est. 10 or 12 pumps can fill 100 cars per hour, a Tesla station with equal number of hookups, can fill about 5 cars per hour, including the people that say "screw it I have enough to get home" and leave before fully charged. Based on the above abstract :) they'll need 3.2 million charging stations. They have 16,000? yeah that's 0.5% of the requirement. Add in the typical I/C vehicle has twice as much range and it looks even worse for the EV.

 

The politicians pushing this want us riding public transit, that will be the breakthrough solution to fix this impending disaster. Cars would again be "play things for the few and the very few", to quote an old publication.

-Ron

 

You don't need those charging stations: Most people will charge at home, much cheaper and more convenient. The need for public charging stations is mostly for long distance driving. It seems to me that most public or semi-public charging stations will be at restaurants that cater to long distance travel (like Harris Ranch on I-5) or at hotels and motels. For local driving there is very little need for a public charging station so I don't understand why places like WalMart are putting them in but I do understand why the appear to be totally unused even in my area where it almost seems every other car is a Tesla Model 3.

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How many EV cars will end up dead on the roads running low on charge?

Owners trying so hard saying I think I can make it...

A new huge market for EV tow trucks.

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