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Get use to it you old farts, this is the new world of the disruptive movement, designed for the next generations.

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History has shown a backlash when choices are limited and we are told what to think do or buy and not given options we want.  As much as he thinks this is what people want based on info from polls probably (and we know how accurate those can be) People will really show you where their interest lies with their pocket book.  That's why Ford is making so many trucks,  because that's what people are buying.  Same reason the Station wagon faded away for the most part. 

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Station wagon was killed by the minivan, minivan was severely injured by the resurgence of the SUV, which in itself has been up and down.  Pickups and big SUVs were hard to give away when gas prices went crazy.  Everybody wanted a Honda or VW Rabbit or Toyota back then.  Now cars are out, pickups and smaller SUVs are in and the next hot thing  is....?  Pickups are cash cows for the industry so the manufacturers will concentrate on them until the next fad comes along.

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If Tesla wanted to branch out from cars and build something they could sell they should be making taxicabs and urban buses. Forget the hiway trucks and pickup trucks, build something electric vehicles are ideally suited for, and that there is a steady demand for.

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I think there is going to be a pretty good demand for trucks for a while.  Yes the yuppies stop buying them when gas goes up but people that need to work,  still need a truck. The rest buy them for recreation so the cost of gas isn't a huge factor as they aren't commuting with them.  People driving themselves 30 to 60 miles one way to work,  yes it affect them ,  unless they need the payload capacity when they get there. 

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trucks are here to stay.America has some of the cheapest gasoline prices in the world.

Americans as a whole, have far more discretionary income.

 

if tesla were to make taxis, they would need to resolve the quick charge turnaround issue- or else, everyone would need to own twice as many battery packs to keep going- with their short range.

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2 hours ago, mike6024 said:

Does it need to go through the NHTSA crash testing program now to get certified for sale?

 

http://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2019/TESLA/MODEL%2520X%2520P100D/SUV/AWD

 

 

I have to question if this thing will pass the crash testing as well, sure door skins dent but that's all part of the crush zones on modern vehicles, they take the impact instead of you!  You have to wonder if the structure is that stiff what will happen to the passengers inside in a crash.

 

Take a good look at the introduction videos, the guy swinging the sledge looks like he's never swung one before.  Not to mention the glass broken by the ball drop did not look like normal tempered automotive glass in the way that it broke and then when they dropped the ball from height, the armored glass wasn't clamped and had no tension on it.  You can actually see the glass bounce.

 

Musk in claiming nearly 150 000 presale orders at $100 each, have to wonder how many will translate into full orders.  https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/23/cars/cybertruck-tesla-preorders/index.html

 

It would be interesting to know real world range under load and in the winter neither of which treat electrics very well.

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18 minutes ago, mercer09 said:

trucks are here to stay.America has some of the cheapest gasoline prices in the world.

Americans as a whole, have far more discretionary income.

 

if tesla were to make taxis, they would need to resolve the quick charge turnaround issue- or else, everyone would need to own twice as many battery packs to keep going- with their short range.

Ok,  here you go.  Ask and you shall learn.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-model-3-taxi-cab-new-york-city/

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52 minutes ago, auburnseeker said:

I think there is going to be a pretty good demand for trucks for a while.  Yes the yuppies stop buying them when gas goes up but people that need to work,  still need a truck. The rest buy them for recreation so the cost of gas isn't a huge factor as they aren't commuting with them.  People driving themselves 30 to 60 miles one way to work,  yes it affect them ,  unless they need the payload capacity when they get there. 

My former truck for work and hauling Boy Scout gear to campouts.  Nothing fancy compared to today’s designer pickups.

 

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It’s really too bad misinformation and outdated facts are taken as gospel.  If want to learn more you can if you choose to do so.

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Terry,

your truck is the kind of truck I used to buy also.

 

interesting in that, my parents owned a small 3 bdrm one bath ranch that four of us shared.

 

todays kids want so much more on a beer budget.........................!  four bedrooms, great room living room 3 baths 2 fireplaces and the three car garage.....................

 

we dreamt of owning A garage.

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Frankly, it's shocking no other automaker has pursued the honor of being the first EV yellow cab for NYC

 

 

is it really? maybe they are interested in making a profit...................

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Musk talks a good game, he's brash, but he often actually delivers. Ever seen his SpaceX rocket land using retro-rockets? I wouldn't bet he never lands a ship on Mars. I see Tesla cars around here every day. Remember Fiskar? The giant battery factory is actually being built. The Hyperloop underground train might be crazy, but I admire his tenacity. 

 

 

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12 hours ago, TerryB said:

Ok,  here you go.  Ask and you shall learn.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-model-3-taxi-cab-new-york-city/

 

12 hours ago, TerryB said:

Or this, if you don’t follow what’s happening.  

https://ww.electrek.co/2019/08/02/tesla-fleet-taxi-columbus/

 

Should be VERY interesting to see how Cold Weather will reduce the range on these cabs. If they lose 40-50% of their range as some owners and testing have reported, one has to wonder how well suited EV cabs will be in cold climates like NYC and Columbus. For cab companies the real question is how long will a Tesla cab last on the streets in cold weather until is needs to be charged and then how long will is be off the street (NOT earning any $$$$$) while it is charged? Most large city cabs run 24x7x365 so the amount of time an EV cab is NOT earning $$$$ will impact the vehicle's overall profitability.

 

Tesla and other electric car batteries lose 40% of their range in extremely cold weather: AAA

 

If you fast forward to near the end of the following video you will see that this teals owner lost 42% of his range.. This is just one of MANY videos that illustrate the range loss of Tesla vehicles in COLD weather.

 

 

 

Then what happens when a Tesla cab has an accident and needs repairs? How long will the cab be off the road while awaiting parts and repairs and NOT earning $$$$?

 

The thing about owning a Tesla no one talks about — nightmarish repair delays

 

 

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As these stories are written work on improving performance through software and battery technology continues.  Each week improvements are announced in range gains as engineers find ways to fix the bumps going forward.  Do you know the design of the hubcaps on a Model 3 contributed to a 10% gain in range?  If the problems you highlighted were insurmountable I would think the whole cab idea would not even be on the table.

 

If you would like more info,

 

https://ww.electrek.co/2018/12/20/tesla-taxi-rides-amsterdam-airport/

 

For 34 years I worked in Displays Engineering for RCA, the founding father of color TV.  I was in the color picture tube division.  When the flat screen TVs hit the market with its extraordinary high prices and poor performance our leadership said they were not a threat and they will never catch on.  Well, in December of 2006 I was one of ten people who shut down the Engineering headquarters.  The flat screen people overcame every problem and price point issue we found.  That clearly demonstrated to me the so called experts in why something will never be adopted don’t always know how a product will catch on.  My famous why bother statement was cell phones with camera, internet service and texting.  I said a phone is a phone, who needs all that extra stuff?  Yep Steve Jobs did not listen to me and Apple and the rest of the manufacturer are enjoying our adaptation to their products.  Lesson learned!

 

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I remember those vehicles, my son used to play with them.  One minute it is a car or truck and with a few twists it be comes a super hero.

 

Designed by kids from the Transformer generation.

 

 

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Everthing today is in advertising NewSpeak. First we had fake wood, then fake wheels, fake scoops, etc. Now we have not-very-armored glass (well the ball did not go through...) and pseudo track day cars. So why not pseudo trucks and pseudo-taxis that look the part but lack something essential. How many still look for that girl "somewhere west of Laramie" ?

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If you fast forward to near the end of the following video you will see that this teslas owner lost 42% of his range.. This is just one of MANY videos that illustrate the range loss of Tesla vehicles in COLD weather.

 

 

 

hence my suggestion that at the very least, one needs a backup battery pack.  thus added costs........... a long time in destroying the gas automobile.

 

 

Terry, in mentioning RCA, I believe Owens Corning in NY produced the majority of tubes for RCA. If you read the story on Owens Corning, it is absolutely remarkable at how agile they were at changing to meet the needs of the public in their 150 yr or so yrs in  business. always flexible and agile and able to stay on top.............

 

not so sure what they are doing these days? maybe making glass for Tesla.............

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I’m not saying there are no cold weather issues, what I’m saying is technology will continue to address them, including software controls to minimize the effect.  Software has been an incredible tool to make improvements.

 

Do you know who Thomas Selfridge is?   He was the first airplane passenger killed when Orville Wright was demonstrating airplanes to the US government all happening in front of the President and military leaders of our country.  Today that would be argued on the internet as the reason everyone who told the Wright Brothers travel by airplanes was an impossible dream and air travel by the masses would never happen.  

 

I enjoy joy reading your collective comments and hopefully you appreciate my insight on a product designed and built in the good old USA, not Japan, Korea or China.  It’s not a perfect product nor is my POS Dodge minivan that has more issues than any Tesla I’ve ever read about.  The first Studebakers were electric as the company was not convinced gas engines were up to the task.  Seems that idea changed as time and improvements to the gasoline engine came along.  We will see how this technology plays out in our lifetime.  Right now I’m enjoying the look into the future in between discussions of transportation from days gone by.

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How come it is taboo to talk about "NEW" cars on this site unless it is about Tesla's? 

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4 minutes ago, John348 said:

How come it is taboo to talk about "NEW" cars on this site unless it is about Tesla's? 

 

Most of the comments are negative and hearsay. That's what "they" like. Need a new one of these. Brand, spanking new and they wouldn't like it.

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Holidays are coming up. This has to be familiar to some.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, John348 said:

How come it is taboo to talk about "NEW" cars on this site unless it is about Tesla's? 

I gave up wondering, guess the ANTIQUE part of the hobby doesn't matter to many. Bob 

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1 hour ago, 1937hd45 said:

I gave up wondering, guess the ANTIQUE part of the hobby doesn't matter to many. Bob 

Consider these “annoying commercials” while watching the main program.

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1 hour ago, 1937hd45 said:

I gave up wondering, guess the ANTIQUE part of the hobby doesn't matter to many. Bob 

 

Bob,

You had even made several posts on this thread, so....... 

 

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