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Yeah, I'm seeing a D2 prefix as well.  I know that the engine in my car is original to it because the microfilm record I got from Chrysler Historical tells me so.  I wonder if Chrysler Historical has build records for Canadian production vehicles.  Jim?

Now that I think about it, my car was built exactly 84 years ago tomorrow; November 26, 1935 according to that microfilm record!

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Peter - you have a correct 1936 Dodge D2 engine. If the original owners did a replacement, they obtained another '36 Dodge engine. Same thing that occurred with my D2 Coupe except that the previous owner had tried to hot rod it and had dropped a '53 Olds Rocket engine into it before failing in his attempt. I was able to locate all the correct parts and engine to return it to stock condition in 1967.

Pete in PA - The Canadian records for Chrysler Corp - at least pre-war - no longer exist. They were destroyed at some point and all we have is info from manuals and documents that survived in private hands. Very frustrating as many of us would like to have production information on our Canadian built cars.  

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Dear Keiser, Pete and Jim,

 

A 'Thank You' to each of you in turn for correcting me ! 

 

Its particularly helpful because now I'll make extra special effort to keep this specific engine in the car.  I'm hopeful with a new gas tank, large fuel filter  (new fuel), zinc added to the oil, rebuilt carb and the valves adjusted -- it just might start to run well ? (After measuring compression we'll see.)

 

(I am still tempted to add the overdrive as it helps ensure the engine will not be over-revved.  I can't seem to lose that idea, because an OD helped so much with my Grandad's car... )

 

As to the records Jim, I'm sure you are right - I've heard the same thing repeatedly. But do you have any  additional info how they were destroyed or when ?  Fire ? Moved to a new place and lost ? Tornado ?  Not doubting they are not around - but odd eh ?   Who gets rid of something that is irreplaceable ?  A fellow I know in BC keeps asking me about his vehicle - and I (rightly) tell him I haven't a clue !

 

Thankfully

Peter

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Re: Chrysler Canada records -  I think they were disposed of by the company when it determined they were of no further value and just taking up file storage space. Happens all the time in the corporate world where old documents are of little interest and history means nothing.

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What a nice car you have.

 

Why did you add zinc to the oil? If you are using a modern oil, you won't need to add it. If you use a CI-4 diesel oil, you definitely don't need it. If you use a synthetic, you don't need to add it.

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My first post mentions that 'I wish I was more knowledgeable'.  That remains the case and the main problem in my trying to reply.  Others will no doubt 'weigh in' - and that's good !

 

Three (3) fellows, all far more experienced than I, all mentioned the same thing to me:

Zinc has been removed from many, but not all modern oils; (not the case for diesel oil, like you mentioned) - and the presence of zinc helps lube and lengthen life these older engines.  Its also helpful to 'break-in a rebuilt engine' of older vintage.

 

One of the fellows who told me of this is (now) age 84 - but was a judge (for 41 Lincolns) at Pebble Beach when he was younger and then owned a 41 Lincoln.  He has owned and rebuilt more cars than I can think of.  He uses a Zinc additive in the oil for the 40 Chev convertible he is just finishing restoring from a 'basket case' start.  (Yep, this, at age 84.  Go figure. I can't do any of this now - forget 84.)  He told me where he buys his zinc additive here in Canada; also saying: "recently Shell removed the zinc from their  'Rotella' .

 

I looked up Rotella to find:      "Rotella T6 is a Non Energy Conserving Oil, and does not meet GF-5 Oil specifications. ... Higher(content) Zinc Additives(ZDDP) are required for flat tappet engines and cartridge bearings, which In previous formulations Rotella T6 had desirable levels of Zinc(ZDDP)."

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Because of your question, I also found this article in Hemmings: < https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2012/10/18/tech-101-zinc-in-oil-and-its-effects-on-older-engines/ >

 

That article mentions:  "When anyone mentions zinc, they are actually referring to zinc dialkyldithiophosphate, a compound invented by Castrol for use in mineral-based oils or zinc di-thiophosphate (ZDTP), which is normally used in synthetic oils. Both have been used as an anti-wear ingredient in engine oil for many years. The zinc and phosphorus ingredients appear to be most effective when they are used together. ZDDP/ZDTP is one of many additives that are put into conventional motor oil to improve its lubrication qualities. Other ingredients such as boron and molybdenum are also added as lubricant enhancers."

 

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Two others (independently) gave me like advice, though each suggested different sources of oils with zinc. Because their knowledge and experience are incomparably better mine I just thought: "That's good to know."

 

Others (including Spinneyhill) will no doubt give valuable opinions...

 

Peter

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Congratulations to Pete's car's - on its birthday - and to him - knowing its date of birth !  Wow.  Different world then.  I recall seeing pics of the guys at the factory working away, each with their (fedora type) hat on (!)

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Maybe late to the party, but I downloaded your picture and manipulated it a bit. That's definitely a D at the front.

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I've mentioned this before elsewhere on these forums, but that gap between the rear of the engine and the firewall on Dodges is simply the result of the Dodges having a three inch longer wheelbase than the Plymouths. Because they both share identical basic bodies and the same length 23 1/2" blocks, the basic frames were nearly identical from the firewall back. So, the Dodge frames had to be three inches longer somewhere, right? That point is immediately in front of the firewall. That's why Dodge front fenders are three inches longer than Plymouths, not that it keeps guys from trying desperately to interchange them. Likewise the Dodge hood is three inches longer than the Plymouths.

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Thank You for the helpful information.  I wondered.

It clarifies things particularly when up here (Canada) - where they made both Plymouths and "Plodges" that is: an American Plymouth;  'badged' as a Dodge.

I'm told by others more knowledgeable than I - that they also made a few 'Real Dodges' up here in Canada as well.  (Go figure.)

 

Presumably,  'Real Dodges'  in Canada had longer fenders, as per your post (?)  - but both Plymouth and Plodge had shorter fenders (?)

That seems to be what I've seen over the years.

 

They must have made very few 'Real Dodges' in Canada, because we rarely see them. Due to this rarity, for years I wrongly presumed that a 'Real Dodge'

- was an American made car that somehow found its way up to Canada. 

 

I don't really want to admit this BUT:   We Canucks may have caused the "interchangeability of fenders" confusion !

Because up here, they are interchangeable -  at least between Plymouth and Plodges.    We saw so few 'Real Dodges' - that those few exceptions didn't seem to ever arise ?

 

Let me know if I still have it wrong !

Peter

 

 

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I think that you have a handle on it all. I suppose that for real clarity, a Canadian, such as yourself, might do best to think of these great Chrysler products in terms of model designations -- D2, D3 and D4, especially if you're dealing with a seller who is at a distance.

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Just for perspective, here are the comparable US and Canadian production figures for all three 1936 Dodge models irrespective of body style based on beginning and ending serial numbers:

                    US             Canada

D2           261637          3368

D3               3073           1318 

D4                  0               5645

 

This gives an illustration of why D3s are so seldom seen. I don't know whether these numbers account for vehicles assembled in other countries but I suspect not. Other opinion to this please.

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That's helpful as always !   But I realize I don't really know what a D3 is !

 

OK:  D2 is the  'Real Dodge' - the full size Dodge made predominately in the US,  with far lesser numbers being made in Canada.

 

D4 is the 'Plodge' - American Plymouth - but - badged as a Dodge in Canada (and only in Canada ?  Did Australia do this as well ?)

 

So what is a D3 exactly ? OK, made for export both in the US and Canada I'm told  -  but what is IT ?  Was it ever sold in Canada ?

With only 1,318 made in Canada (and only 3,073 made in the US) - no wonder I don't know. Not many made.  All exported ? World-wide ?

 

I was in Instanbul, Turkey years ago, and saw quite a number of late 30's looking Dodge trucks (pickup size) - still on the road.

I went up to one, to give it a close 'look-over' - and the fellow came out thinking I was going to steal it !!

I laughed and laughed !  He was taken aback with my laughing at him,  and when I gave him the 'thumbs up' - he laughed himself !

 

So was the D3 made to be exported to such countries - so we never saw it here - and so, I don't know what it was ?

Or was it a right-hand drive version ??  Or... ?

 

Anyway,  I'll stop speculating - so you can actually answer.

PS:  I 'googled' D2, D3, and D4 - and mostly came up with vitamins. "That ain't it"...      

 

Peter

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1 hour ago, 36 Plymouth 40 Dodge said:

 

PS:  I 'googled' D2, D3, and D4 - and mostly came up with vitamins. "That ain't it"...      

 

Peter

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Funny!

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2 hours ago, 36 Plymouth 40 Dodge said:

That's helpful as always !   But I realize I don't really know what a D3 is !

 

OK:  D2 is the  'Real Dodge' - the full size Dodge made predominately in the US,  with far lesser numbers being made in Canada.

 

D4 is the 'Plodge' - American Plymouth - but - badged as a Dodge in Canada (and only in Canada ?  Did Australia do this as well ?)

 

So what is a D3 exactly ? OK, made for export both in the US and Canada I'm told  -  but what is IT ?  Was it ever sold in Canada ?

With only 1,318 made in Canada (and only 3,073 made in the US) - no wonder I don't know. Not many made.  All exported ? World-wide ?

 

I was in Instanbul, Turkey years ago, and saw quite a number of late 30's looking Dodge trucks (pickup size) - still on the road.

I went up to one, to give it a close 'look-over' - and the fellow came out thinking I was going to steal it !!

I laughed and laughed !  He was taken aback with my laughing at him,  and when I gave him the 'thumbs up' - he laughed himself !

 

So was the D3 made to be exported to such countries - so we never saw it here - and so, I don't know what it was ?

Or was it a right-hand drive version ??  Or... ?

 

Anyway,  I'll stop speculating - so you can actually answer.

PS:  I 'googled' D2, D3, and D4 - and mostly came up with vitamins. "That ain't it"...      

 

Peter

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This may help explain some stuff....

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Thank You !  Both helpful and interesting!  Perhaps that is the best answer we can even hope for 84 years later. Not a bad answer really.

 

(What book was that excerpted from ?)

 

Not trying to be difficult, but if someone asked me to tell them the difference between the D3 and the D4 - I'd

have to say:  "I don't have a clue".  Thanks to Pete in PA and his Nov. 20 post,  I learned that the D3 serial number begins with "93..."

and that the D4 serial numbers begins with "94..." - but otherwise I couldn't tell one from the other.

 

The book excerpt tells me the D3 was the shorter Plymouth wheelbase, with the 201 Plymouth engine - but this was also true of the

D4 - apparently.  Didn't know this, nor did I know anything about  the panel delivery - but other than these things - I don't know the

difference between D3 and D4.  ( I even wondered if D3 could be 'all the odd ball stuff combined' - like the 'Limo' - 'sedan delivery'  but

then they would not have made that many - and not in Canada - and they sure would not have exported that many.  Odd...)

 

(I'd say those Canadians were an odd bunch, making both the D3 and D4 - then destroying all their production records - but being one 

myself - why, I'll just leave that one alone...)

 

Peter

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1 hour ago, 36 Plymouth 40 Dodge said:

Thank You !  Both helpful and interesting!  Perhaps that is the best answer we can even hope for 84 years later. Not a bad answer really.

 

(What book was that excerpted from ?)

 

Not trying to be difficult, but if someone asked me to tell them the difference between the D3 and the D4 - I'd

have to say:  "I don't have a clue".  Thanks to Pete in PA and his Nov. 20 post,  I learned that the D3 serial number begins with "93..."

and that the D4 serial numbers begins with "94..." - but otherwise I couldn't tell one from the other.

 

The book excerpt tells me the D3 was the shorter Plymouth wheelbase, with the 201 Plymouth engine - but this was also true of the

D4 - apparently.  Didn't know this, nor did I know anything about  the panel delivery - but other than these things - I don't know the

difference between D3 and D4.  ( I even wondered if D3 could be 'all the odd ball stuff combined' - like the 'Limo' - 'sedan delivery'  but

then they would not have made that many - and not in Canada - and they sure would not have exported that many.  Odd...)

 

(I'd say those Canadians were an odd bunch, making both the D3 and D4 - then destroying all their production records - but being one 

myself - why, I'll just leave that one alone...)

 

Peter

This is the book I got that from. Pretty darn good book, although there are some discrepancies at times.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-DODGE-STORY-by-Thomas-McPherson-Hardcover-Book-CRESTLINE-publishing/303206924261?epid=1601406&hash=item46988a7fe5:g:XK8AAOSwL8ZdGENJ

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5 minutes ago, 36 Plymouth 40 Dodge said:

Thank You very much Keiser31.  I would never have otherwise known of this book !

Peter

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My copy is pretty worn out as I use it a LOT!

 

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