avgwarhawk Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 It's frustrating! Drop the drain plug and let it all drain out. The torque ball should be filled by now. Check the 56 manual for capacity on the 40 series. I'm inclined to believe it calls for 7/8 pint. Keep the faith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 11 hours ago, avgwarhawk said: It's frustrating! Drop the drain plug and let it all drain out. The torque ball should be filled by now. Check the 56 manual for capacity on the 40 series. I'm inclined to believe it calls for 7/8 pint. Keep the faith! Will pass this on to the garage thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 17 hours ago, avgwarhawk said: It's frustrating! Drop the drain plug and let it all drain out. The torque ball should be filled by now. Check the 56 manual for capacity on the 40 series. I'm inclined to believe it calls for 7/8 pint. Keep the faith! Oil is out there was 11/2 pints left in it has 6 bolts on the top 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, Derek56 said: Oil is out there was 11/2 pints left in it has 6 bolts on the top 🤔 Just going to test drive with 7/8 pint in it’s not leaking on the lift having gone through the gears so fingers crossed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 So by the manual the 6 bolt(which you have) for the 56 is 2 pints plus 1/2 pint in the torque ball. Does the mechanic know how much oil was initially pumped in or filled until it started to drip from the fill hole? It appears to be seeping from the mating surfaces of the transmission and the bell housing? Is there a lot of RTV permatex there? The paper gasket is sufficient without the use of Permatex. Also, check for any leaks between the tail shaft housing and the gearbox housing. I have one that leaks there and follows a path down to the sump plug where it finally drips onto the floor. It mimics a leak at the drain plug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 20 minutes ago, avgwarhawk said: So by the manual the 6 bolt(which you have) for the 56 is 2 pints plus 1/2 pint in the torque ball. Does the mechanic know how much oil was initially pumped in or filled until it started to drip from the fill hole? It appears to be seeping from the mating surfaces of the transmission and the bell housing? Is there a lot of RTV permatex there? The paper gasket is sufficient without the use of Permatex. Also, check for any leaks between the tail shaft housing and the gearbox housing. I have one that leaks there and follows a path down to the sump plug where it finally drips onto the floor. It mimics a leak at the drain plug. We have just drained it all out 1 1/2 pints were in we have just put in 7/8 pint and it’s still peeing the oil out 😢 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 Just now, Derek56 said: We have just drained it all out 1 1/2 pints were in we have just put in 7/8 pint and it’s still peeing the oil out 😢 It’s 100% coming from the center of the front of the box we can see it coming out 😢 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, avgwarhawk said: So by the manual the 6 bolt(which you have) for the 56 is 2 pints plus 1/2 pint in the torque ball. Does the mechanic know how much oil was initially pumped in or filled until it started to drip from the fill hole? It appears to be seeping from the mating surfaces of the transmission and the bell housing? Is there a lot of RTV permatex there? The paper gasket is sufficient without the use of Permatex. Also, check for any leaks between the tail shaft housing and the gearbox housing. I have one that leaks there and follows a path down to the sump plug where it finally drips onto the floor. It mimics a leak at the drain plug. When the gear box is filled and go through the gears on the lift no oil comes out untill it’s been driving around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Derek56 said: When the gear box is filled and go through the gears on the lift no oil comes out untill it’s been driving around While the car is on the lift can some move the clutch pedal in and out? My thoughts are the throw-out bearing support is moving when the clutch pedal is pushed. The cork gasket inside getting deformed. What did the cork gasket look like when the manual was pulled the second time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 minute ago, avgwarhawk said: While the car is on the lift can some move the clutch pedal in and out? My thoughts are the throw-out bearing support is moving when the clutch pedal is pushed. The cork gasket inside getting deformed. What did the cork gasket look like when the manual was pulled the second time? I will speak to the garage tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 Just now, Derek56 said: I will speak to the garage tomorrow We went through the gears inc reverse an number of time when on the lift it only seems to do it when driving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 2 hours ago, avgwarhawk said: While the car is on the lift can some move the clutch pedal in and out? My thoughts are the throw-out bearing support is moving when the clutch pedal is pushed. The cork gasket inside getting deformed. What did the cork gasket look like when the manual was pulled the second time? No oil was passing to the clutch area nothing in the inspection area we Went through all the gears on the lift no oil came out till it was driven under load see attached where oil comes from thinking of sealing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 I did notice this in your previous picture. Worth a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, avgwarhawk said: I did notice this in your previous picture. Worth a try. Failing that i will be looking for a recon gearbox not likely to find one in uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 53 minutes ago, Derek56 said: Failing that i will be looking for a recon gearbox not likely to find one in uk I do not believe finding a reconditioned gearbox is in the cards either. If I remember correctly, the area you see the oil coming from is a metal cap. This can be purchased in a small parts kit from Bobsautomobilia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) The upper left you will see a metal cap cover inside a hole of the case. The right side does not get covered. There is a rod that protrudes out of the hole when working the gears. The bottom is not covered by a metal cap on mine but that does not mean it's right. It just did not leak like your. It appears perhaps a metal cap is needed there where it is leaking. Edited August 24, 2020 by avgwarhawk (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 I crawled under ye' old 54 and snapped a photo. Does appear a cap is covering this thrust shaft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
critterpainter Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 That shaft only SHOULD go in one way. it is slightly larger on one end if I recall correctly. Bottom line. YES it is ok to Clean it well and silicon the end to stop the leak. Only other choice is to remove and analyze whats going on. Shaft or case may have wear there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 10 hours ago, avgwarhawk said: I do not believe finding a reconditioned gearbox is in the cards either. If I remember correctly, the area you see the oil coming from is a metal cap. This can be purchased in a small parts kit from Bobsautomobilia. Would this kit do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 hours ago, critterpainter said: That shaft only SHOULD go in one way. it is slightly larger on one end if I recall correctly. Bottom line. YES it is ok to Clean it well and silicon the end to stop the leak. Only other choice is to remove and analyze whats going on. Shaft or case may have wear there Cheers for that info will be sealing this morning 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 I have the small parts kit. Let me take a look and see if the metal cap is in the kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 hour ago, avgwarhawk said: I have the small parts kit. Let me take a look and see if the metal cap is in the kit. The garage sealed it up last night I drove it this morning didn’t leak first drive and when I took it to it’s storage place it’s now leaking a small bit around the sealent 😢 do you think the box will have to come out for the 4th time to fit the seal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Well, is it much improved to what was dripping before the sealant? If so, maybe clean up the oil that did get on the case and apply more sealant in that area were it leaked some possibly stopping it for good. Drive it and think about removing later. What is good here is positively identifying were the leak is coming from. Further, the entire transmission does not need to come out. Just moved back enough to drive in the metal cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 hours ago, avgwarhawk said: Well, is it much improved to what was dripping before the sealant? If so, maybe clean up the oil that did get on the case and apply more sealant in that area were it leaked some possibly stopping it for good. Drive it and think about removing later. What is good here is positively identifying were the leak is coming from. Further, the entire transmission does not need to come out. Just moved back enough to drive in the metal cover. Going to drive it on Sunday to a car show see what happens I can cope with a small drip for a while then see about cap if you think it will do the job if not it will be sealant. At least I can use it without a big puddle 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Derek56 said: Going to drive it on Sunday to a car show see what happens I can cope with a small drip for a while then see about cap if you think it will do the job if not it will be sealant. At least I can use it without a big puddle 😂 I'm ok with a minor drip or two as well. Mine does drip from time to time. I don't concern myself with it and drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
critterpainter Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Is the gasket in place between the transmission and the bell housing? If that is missing it could allow some other minor leakage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, critterpainter said: Is the gasket in place between the transmission and the bell housing? If that is missing it could allow some other minor leakage. Yes the gasket is there and has a light sealant on it. The oil is definitely coming from the area as shown below Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted September 1, 2020 Author Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 8/25/2020 at 4:52 PM, avgwarhawk said: I'm ok with a minor drip or two as well. Mine does drip from time to time. I don't concern myself with it and drive. Hi did you get a chance to see if that shaft cover was in the kit cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Derek56 said: Hi did you get a chance to see if that shaft cover was in the kit cheers Derek, the cover is not in the kit. I suspect making a circular cover of steel would not be too difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek56 Posted September 1, 2020 Author Share Posted September 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, avgwarhawk said: Derek, the cover is not in the kit. I suspect making a circular cover of steel would not be too difficult. Ok cool I’ve put a layer of sealing tape on and it has stopped it at the moment will look into a Better fix later thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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