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11 minutes ago, 1953mack said:

FINAL COMMENT

The BUGLE is long overdue for a major overhauling. I will state my ideas in a new Thread on this BCA Forum before February 24, the deadline for the APRIL-2020 BUGLE.

 

 

Al Malachowski

BCA #8965

“500 Miles West of Flint”

 

Cindy has retired from her position with the BCA working on the Bugle.  She does not and never has set policy. She has provided a service that presents what she was given in the best format for the members of the club. 

 

Membership growth is the boards purvey.  Decisions by the Board and all activities including the national meet are the Boards responsibility help drive membership. 

 

Remember that a fish rots from the head down and Cindy has never been the head. Think Custer at the Little Big Horn and the other disastrous battles called by other generals. It was not the foot soldier that created the loss.   She has been a great foot soldier for the BCA.  Just IMO.

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1 hour ago, Larry Schramm said:

 She has been a great foot soldier for the BCA.  Just IMO.

 

Hear Hear!!!! 

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7 minutes ago, Brad Conley said:

Question:  Is Mack a member of the BCA?

 

 

Yes

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OH Crap it looks like someone got up in the morning and took a poke at the sleeping bear. Cant argue that the membership is in decline and there is many reasons for the decline. Hopefully someday that will become a non issue. When I was on the board a lot of good ideas were not acted on but that's the system of many parts.  I had the feeling many times that I could wear the Rockies down with an eyedropper than some members with a fire hose. 

I cant say that I agree with asking board members canned questions. It is clear that some changes need to be made but change is slow and to put pressure on any volunteer is screwing up a 2 car funeral. A very small part of the membership takes part in the management of the club which is not a fault of the BOD its a fault of the members. I have watched what has been going on the past few years and it is interesting. There are a lot of members that have been around longer than me but since I joined and ran for the Board I have listened to tons of complaints but very few real solutions. I will stand on any soapbox and say the Bugle is the BCAs strong suit. The club will continue to change and will change like the cars on the National meet will change. Lets support our BOD and if change is necessary great. My hat is off to Pete and Cindy and the BOD the board is un paid and I have served on several boards and I have yet to find a way to fire a volunteer. 

When my wife and I can make it to a national meet we always have a good time and that will never change

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Just one more thought the last time I walked the show field I wanted to find cars older than me and there were some then I looked for members and cars younger than me and there were not many  Does that help explaining member decline  😬

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"self-anointed experts, liars, B.S. artists, those who want to bend the rules in their favor and those that have a hard time admitting that they made a mistake" - 1953mack

 

I am pretty sure 1953mack thinks I fall into one or more of these categories, and that's okay.  I know better and have received trust and feedback from enough people (Buick and otherwise) to know it's not true.

 

Nonetheless, without getting into the ugly politics or going into detail on the things he's stated that I don't agree with, I'll say I do agree with some of his points.  I don't think the Bugle needs a major overhaul, but some reorganizing and addition of certain things such as regular inclusion of financial reports, chapter updates, and tech articles would be great.  There are probably ways to reduce costs as well.  It's still a great club magazine, and the editor works very hard with little gratitude to make it such.

 

The problem is, the board can't snap their fingers and make these wishful things appear.  Only action, not complaints, will directly create change.  Given that, I do believe that an active effort by BCA leadership by first drafting a desired updated structure, and then actively working to create a "pull" for such contributions, could achieve results.

 

This is not a complaint; I'm just offering my views.  I twice ran for the board, but was not selected.  While I'm certain I could have made a strong positive impact, the votes have spoken and I don't intend to run again any time soon.

 

However, if there is a legitimate desire, I hereby offer to work with BCA leadership offline to develop a formal proposal of some of my ideas with the objective function being to 1) enhance the structure of the Bugle, 2) minimize costs, 3) create a strategy to create a pull for desired content as needed, and 4) launch a membership renewal campaign, thus putting my money (in the form of my much-cherished time) where my mouth is.  If not, I'll try to just stay out of these matters.

 

Either way, I will continue to enjoy my cars, this forum, the BCA, and the Buick friends I've made.

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lancemb,

If we just knew who you were, there possibly could be some constructive comments made with regard to your posting.  As Ben so aptly pointed out a few days ago, people who hide behind a moniker do not give off a warm and fuzzy feeling.  Without a name, your post has zero credibility to a lot of folks.  Just the way things are.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

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1 hour ago, Terry Wiegand said:

lancemb,

If we just knew who you were, there possibly could be some constructive comments made with regard to your posting.  As Ben so aptly pointed out a few days ago, people who hide behind a moniker do not give off a warm and fuzzy feeling.  Without a name, your post has zero credibility to a lot of folks.  Just the way things are.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

 

Terry,

Lance is a fine member of the BCA for many years, a second generation member at that I believe. I know his last name as do many others on this forum, but have you considered that he perhaps doesn't want the globe to know his full name for privacy concerns relative to the world in general and not hiding from any forum members. Many in the BCA know EXACTLY what his last name is cause he has been active in the club, but that doesn't mean he wants the world who can view this forum to know enough details. His privacy is his choice and you need to BACK OFF cause in this case you are wrong about Lance.

 

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4 hours ago, Terry Wiegand said:

lancemb,

If we just knew who you were, there possibly could be some constructive comments made with regard to your posting.  As Ben so aptly pointed out a few days ago, people who hide behind a moniker do not give off a warm and fuzzy feeling.  Without a name, your post has zero credibility to a lot of folks.  Just the way things are.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

Terry, I highly resent you accusing me of "HIDING" behind a moniker.  My handle is my name; it's not very cryptic.  I've been on this forum for years and I'm shocked if anybody by now doesn't know this.  Finally, even people whose handle doesn't have their name in it aren't necessarily trying to "HIDE".

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On 2/7/2020 at 6:01 AM, 38Buick 80C said:

His privacy is his choice and you need to BACK OFF cause in this case you are wrong about Lance.

 

And it's not just about "privacy". "Monikers" are just nicknames or handles, simple as that. Hell,  I was MrEarl before I ever joined this group. I think you went overboard speaking to Lance like you did this time Mr @Terry Wiegand And many others have probably felt slighted by your past comments on the subject. Monikers are meant to be fun, you should try one. I can think of some good ones for you.

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Mr. DePouli and the other fellow,

I would really like to point out something to you two that you seem to be missing - I DID NOT START THIS ISSUE!  BEN P. DID IN ANOTHER TOPIC!  I wholeheartedly agree with him and because I state this I am made out to be the bad guy here.  I ALWAYS state my name and location in all of my postings because I have NOTHING TO HIDE.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

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6 minutes ago, Terry Wiegand said:

Mr. DePouli and the other fellow,

 

Well, now some may call me Joe
Some may call me Moe
Just remember Speedoo
He don't never take it slow
Well now they often call me Speedoo
But my real name is Mister Earl
Umm-hmm-hmm
 
 
all in good fun Terry, all in good fun
 
 
 
 
 
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One recommendation by IT security experts is to not use your real full name as an online username. 🤔

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4 hours ago, 38Buick 80C said:

 

Terry,

Lance is a fine member of the BCA for many years, a second generation member at that I believe.

 

Brian, thank you for your kind words.  Yes, my father James was a very early BCA member and originally joined pre-1970 I believe.  At some point, his dues lapsed, and I think when he rejoined they reassigned him a higher BCA number for some reason; lack of record-keeping, I guess. 

I have been riding in, puttering with and polishing old Buicks for literally as long as I can remember.  Perhaps my very earliest memory is a family trip to the beach in his 63 Wildcat convertible.  I remember taking it upon myself as a young lad to hook up the hoses and bleed the convertible top pump and lines in a 1965 Wildcat convertible he was restoring, without his knowledge.  I surprised him with a working power top that afternoon!

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21 minutes ago, NC-car-guy said:

One recommendation by IT security experts is to not use your real full name as an online username. 🤔

Happens on facebook all the time:  real name and location and then announcing a vacation....

I announce our "Texas Road Warrior" trips each summer and would never use a real name.

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I've been a BCA member since the late 90s when I started restoration on my 61 225. My comments are from the perspective of a BCA member who has benefited immensely from the organization but has not been able to participate more fully. I have not been involved in BCA leadership, but I have tried to vote in most elections. I've found the BCA, the Bugle and this forum to be extremely helpful in each of my projects, and in my mind, the Bugle is one of the key strengths of the BCA. I echo the kudos already extend to Pete, Cindy and the Board for the time, effort and energy they invest. At some point, maybe my life obligations will change and I'll be able to get more involved in BCA matters. In the meantime, I encourage us to work with and respect each other, and keep it light and fun, as Mr. Earl has suggested!...just my $.02 for you to take or leave as you see fit... 

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2 hours ago, Terry Wiegand said:

Mr. DePouli and the other fellow,

I would really like to point out something to you two that you seem to be missing - I DID NOT START THIS ISSUE!  BEN P. DID IN ANOTHER TOPIC!  I wholeheartedly agree with him and because I state this I am made out to be the bad guy here.  I ALWAYS state my name and location in all of my postings because I have NOTHING TO HIDE.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

Yes, I did mention that opinion - it was based on real-world experience - and it is reinforced daily — though not absolute.

Before the internet existed as we know it today, there were ‘bulletin board systems’ and email accounts - no ‘websites’. To make a post on the bbs you could do so ‘anonymously’ with a made-up handle - though most automatically didn’t. Though your email account was registered to the bbs and traceable (as I recall). As a student, my email account was administrated by the school, and of course my first + last name were emblazoned on it.

There was a contrasting difference between what was easily said anonymously and what was said with a name attached to it. Obvious as daylight.

A few years later when the ‘free’ email accounts became available, from companies such as Yahoo and Google, people could make up anonymous names for them and it became like the Wild West.

Real vitriol. One learned QUICK to keep out of certain areas of the bbs.

About that same time the WWW with things like websites with pictures appeared and the whole thing blew up. Still, I had learned: Post anonymously - human nature WILL get the best of me. Post with my name on it: Stand a chance of acting like a member of society.

That’s what I learned. Is it absolute? No. At first my ‘handle’ on this forum was my first + last name. Then I noticed when I tried to google anything ‘1918 Buick’ my darn name was popping up in those searches. Uncomfortable. Then I was faced with the reality that my family could look on here and see exactly, let’s say, an engine rebuild for a 1918 Buick COSTS.

Since it’s impossible to educate people not interested in cars on the difference between cost and value (if we were golfers, NO ONE would expect us to get any money back out of that) I abbreviated my last name and deleted all of my prior posts at that point. 

Other’s have eluded to that same point. I’ve yet to find balance, but the lesson remains. I don’t use the ‘signature line’ on here as some do to give enough just enough clue to others here who they are. Though I give out enough to remind myself to act like a member of society and not an anonymous internet troll.

Remember the newspapers? There wasn’t one out there that didn’t REQUIRE a first and last name to publish a ‘letter to the editor’. Those could be unhinged enough.

Terry did bring up a constructive and valuable point however - in elections name recognition is everything. That’s the way it is. How many folks filling out their BOD ballots recognized your name and realized they knew and interacted with you here?

I didn’t. That said, ‘third time’s a charm’.

Let’s keep it real,

Ben P.

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2 hours ago, Terry Wiegand said:

Mr. DePouli and the other fellow,

 I state this I am made out to be the bad guy here. 

7 hours ago, Terry Wiegand said:

lancemb,

  Without a name, your post has zero credibility to a lot of folks.  Just the way things are.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

 

 

 

I'm not making you out to be the bad guy, I'm saying your wrong about Lance having no credibility simply cause he doesn't put his full name on the forum, I will vouch for his credibility every day and twice on Sunday. 

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9 minutes ago, Ben P. said:

 

Terry did bring up a constructive and valuable point however - in elections name recognition is everything. That’s the way it is. How many folks filling out their BOD ballots recognized your name and realized they knew and interacted with you here?

 

 

My guess would be just about everyone who has been fairly active on this forum would have recognized my name.  Again, my first name ,middle and last initial are in my handle; it's not that hard to figure out.  But if I had chosen to use a more anonymous moniker, it wouldn't be because I have anything to hide.  If ANYBODY wants to PM me to discuss ANYTHING or come to a BCA national meet that I plan to attend and wants to meet and discuss ANYTHING in person, I have no problem with that.

 

There are way more BCA members than are on this forum, so I don't expect that impact to be huge on any BCA election.  There are also way more BCA members than I'll ever meet, and I think that is universally true; of course, some people know more than others but I doubt anyone knows all 6k+ members in some way or another.  In the end, if people can never vote based on the write up submitted and take a small leap of faith in someone they haven't personally met, then so be it.  I probably could have done a better write-up, too.  But that's okay; I'll help if it is really needed and wanted, but I have no hurt feelings over not being on the BOD.  I have plenty to keep me busy for the next few years, at least!

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1 hour ago, mp67riv said:

I've been a BCA member since the late 90s when I started restoration on my 61 225. My comments are from the perspective of a BCA member who has benefited immensely from the organization but has not been able to participate more fully. I have not been involved in BCA leadership, but I have tried to vote in most elections.

 

I'm not sure the BCA needs more leaders.  Just my opinion, but we need more volunteers.  I am no longer a member of any old car club. I am out of the old car hobby. But before I did not renew my memberships in the BCA and the Cadillac LaSalle Club I thought for moment about retaining my membership and volunteering at the National meets and such.  My thinking was I could live vicariously through other members cars, if they would let me sit in them, ride in them and lean in and ask questions and take a lot of photos. 

 

I'm no longer a member NOT because of the dysfunction and issues of the past but because I have never been a reader of the Bugle, I threw most of them away almost right away when received, and I just lost interest in owning a collectible car.  But old Buicks and automobiles are still in my blood, I'm 56 tomorrow and had my first of 325 cars when I was 13 years old.   It's not going away easy. 

 

We always hear that there are not enough judges, not enough meet volunteers, and fewer people taking critical roles in chapters and regions.  Leadership will likely be retained by the folks in command now, and by vote - members are OK with that.  I'm OK with that, life is too short to be like Al. 

 

So don't think you have to be a leader, be a follower and fill in the cracks where necessary.  I remember when the National Meet came to Ames in 2010 and I called Rick Young and said what do you want me to do?  I was not a member of the Hawkeye Chapter, but I lived 15 minutes away from the show field.  He said "How about manning the wash stand?"    I did, and I did it many times with my then 8 year old daughter and we had a blast.  I met many BCA members "casually" as it should be.  My daughter loved the event, getting a chance to put on the gloves and get her photo taken in the back of the Landau by "Mr. Earl."  She is also seen in many photos of the after tour riding in pre war Buicks.

 

All that from just volunteering.  No need to lead.

 

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Fair enough...getting more involved from a volunteer standpoint and attending meets are things i look forward to. I hope to be able to do these things once my work schedule changes - as it stands, work commitments (often involving travel) have conflicted me out of most of the annual and local meets, but God willing, that won't always be my situation.

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For those who want to get more involved, and for all of the complainers who don't like the way the BCA is being run for one reason or another, now is your chance to run for the Buick Club Board of Directors. Only six days left to get your write-up (one-page limit) and photo to me for the April issue (Feb. 15 candidate deadline), and we only have two candidates so far. There are three seats to be filled.

 

Pete Phillips, BCA #7338

Editor, The Buick Bugle

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