1946 Glidden cars- Where are they today?

[avantey]

Here is a list of the 1946 cars and people that attended the first Revival Glidden Tour.  As we put together the 75th anniversary of the tour it would be fantastic to find some of these people and cars to maybe join the celebration.  Does anyone know the whereabouts of any of the cars, owners or drivers today.

 

I know the Grundy Agency has the actual car no.6 1909 Pierce Arrow in their lobby per their website.  Some of the names are well known in the hobby from that era into the '70's.  Any other leads would be appreciated.

 

1946 list- I think the whole list is brass cars!

 

1949 list- cars were a bit newer

 

Thank you for any info,

Bill

 

[1937hd45]

The 1947 Glidden was featured in Antique Automobile 1947. My 1912 Ford was on the 1950 Glidden owned by Elmer Bemis from Brattleboro, Vt., I wonder if it was the Col. John F. Brown car on the 1947 Glidden? Just basing that guess on the offset top and fluted headlamp lens that are on the car today. Bob 

[A. Ballard 35R]

The Stanleys and Packards can be found by checking the on line rosters. Mercers and Simplexes can be found by looking at those rosters, which are not on line. Same is probably true of Rolls Royces and perhaps some others.

[mercer09]

thought that Duponts sold that Indian just a few years back??????????

[46 woodie]

I have the program from the first year I went to HERSHEY, 1968 and there are over 220 Model A Fords listed, where are they? This year there were about a dozen Model A's, on the show field. Are they stashed away in garages? Did they all turn into hot rods. Sometime they just seem to disappear.

[60FlatTop]

In 1968 and much earlier, if you had a Model T to transport any distance for a show you got a rack body truck and found an outside grease lift. You raised the car up to the truck body, drove on. and found another grease rack when you got to the shoe. It's getting hard to find those outside grease lifts these days.

[1937hd45]

Just now, 60FlatTop said:

In 1968 and much earlier, if you had a Model T to transport any distance for a show you got a rack body truck and found an outside grease lift. You raised the car up to the truck body, drove on. and found another grease rack when you got to the shoe. It's getting hard to find those outside grease lifts these days.

I remember seeing two model A's hauled that way in 1969, they just backed up to an embankment put down some  2x12 ramps and rolled them off. Bob 

[60FlatTop]

See how easy life is in New York. Just pull the lever.

[bifda]

On 10/24/2019 at 6:28 AM, 1937hd45 said:

The 1947 Glidden was featured in Antique Automobile 1947. My 1912 Ford was on the 1950 Glidden owned by Elmer Bemis from Brattleboro, Vt., I wonder if it was the Col. John F. Brown car on the 1947 Glidden? Just basing that guess on the offset top and fluted headlamp lens that are on the car today. Bob 

I am doing so research into a 1912 Model T Ford, I bought last week, here in the UK. It has a plaque on the firewall from the 1947 Glidden tour. I believe the car owned by Col John F Brown is the car I’ve bought. It came with the electric lights, and stil has the shock absorbers that are in the pic. Etc.

The car is very original and was imported into the UK in 1997.

 

wayne smith

 

 

[TAKerry]

Looking through the list there are 2 Stanleys from Yorklyn DE. I am pretty sure that there is a museum in that area that has a couple of them currently. I wonder if they are the same cars, or if someone on here knows them?

[1937hd45]

11 hours ago, bifda said:

I am doing so research into a 1912 Model T Ford, I bought last week, here in the UK. It has a plaque on the firewall from the 1947 Glidden tour. I believe the car owned by Col John F Brown is the car I’ve bought. It came with the electric lights, and stil has the shock absorbers that are in the pic. Etc.

The car is very original and was imported into the UK in 1997.

 

wayne smith

 

 

Hope you enjoy that 1912 T, great to have all that history.  Do your rear doors have outside handles? Think that feature ended around April or May. 

 

Bob 

[Crusty Trucker]

On 10/24/2019 at 12:45 PM, 60FlatTop said:

In 1968 and much earlier, if you had a Model T to transport any distance for a show you got a rack body truck and found an outside grease lift. You raised the car up to the truck body, drove on. and found another grease rack when you got to the shoe. It's getting hard to find those outside grease lifts these days.

Muffler shops still have roll-on lifts. You could make prior arrangements (probably even by phone) to load or unload a car. They might charge a small fee, but maybe not. Some, even in the frozen north, have outside lifts.

 

 

[bifda]

11 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

Hope you enjoy that 1912 T, great to have all that history.  Do your rear doors have outside handles? Think that feature ended around April or May. 

 

Bob 

No there are no external handles. It does have the accessory front doors. Which is a nice feature

 

regards

 

wayne 

[StanleyRegister]

On 11/28/2022 at 4:52 PM, TAKerry said:

Looking through the list there are 2 Stanleys from Yorklyn DE. I am pretty sure that there is a museum in that area that has a couple of them currently. I wonder if they are the same cars, or if someone on here knows them?

75 years later, the 1914 Stanley is still in the same collection in Yorklyn.  I use it for Stanley driver training in the summers.  The 1915 Stanley unded up in a large collection in Calfornia which was recently liquidated.

[TAKerry]

I may have met you at the mushroom festival in Kennett several years ago. I recall at least 2 Stanleys being there from that Yorklyn collection.

[1937hd45]

On 11/29/2022 at 8:16 AM, bifda said:

No there are no external handles. It does have the accessory front doors. Which is a nice feature

 

regards

 

wayne 

EVERY TOURING CAR LEFT THE FACTORY WITH THE FRONT DOORS, That is why Henry called them Fore-Door  Touring cars. Pet peeve of mine, that some cars restored without them have won AACA First Prize awards along with a Senior First. Owners with BS abilities that surpass average members. 

[wayne sheldon]

A lot of hobbyists back in the 1950s and 1960s, wanted an EARLY model T touring car. I think most 1912 touring cars for more than twenty years when they were being restored had the fore-doors left off! A very good friend of mine in 1970 had a beautifully restored (early step-side) 1912 touring car. Whoever had restored the car did a very nice job on everything, except the fore-doors which were left unrestored, and left off the car. I remember many discussions in those days saying that the "fore-doors" were optional, and therefore correctly could be left off the cars. Even in my youth, I doubted those statements. I was studying era photographs when I was in high school, and recognizing the year/model variations, had noticed no clearly 1912 T touring car without the fore-doors in era photographs!

Part of the problem with our automotive history is that after World War two, most "history" was written from memory, and memory is sometimes faulty! Serious research was just beginning in those early days of the hobby. The Benson Ford Archive was opened up, thousands of totally unorganized boxes of records were dug through, sorted out, and real details found. And even some of those "records" were found to be incorrect! Records of changes were misdated after-the-fact, several changes in the records were found that actually never happened! Records needed to be compared with factory and other era photographs to verify many things.

People still argue over numerous things, when was a change made? Was something printed in era sales literature actually done or not? (e.g. Wire wheels the only wheels standard on sedans in 1926 or 1927? It is in some of the sales literature and letters to dealers, however hundreds of era photographs, sales records listing otherwise, and intact surviving cars say it never happened!)

 

Regardless, wonderful car! And so nice to have such hobby history with it.

[Hudsy Wudsy]

For those interested, the Detroit Public Library is a great source for Glidden tour info.

[bifda]

On 12/1/2022 at 1:08 AM, 1937hd45 said:

EVERY TOURING CAR LEFT THE FACTORY WITH THE FRONT DOORS, That is why Henry called them Fore-Door  Touring cars. Pet peeve of mine, that some cars restored without them have won AACA First Prize awards along with a Senior First. Owners with BS abilities that surpass average members. 

 What I was meaning is that it still has the accessory front doors, as a lot have been removed to make the car look older. 
I never said they were optional, just that they were an accessory, a bit like the acetylene lights etc.

 

Thanks for sharing the sales leaflet

 

regards

wayne 

 

[1937hd45]

I really like the look of your headlamps, were they on the car when it arrived in the UK? What brand are they? Bob

[bifda]

12 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

I really like the look of your headlamps, were they on the car when it arrived in the UK? What brand are they? Bob

The headlights have been on the car a long time. If you look at the pic from the Glidden tour they were on it then. You can see the large hinge in the pic. There are no markings on the lamps, they do have Ford lenses.

 

regards wayne 

 

 

[1937hd45]

This is a close up of the aluminum plate, I think I have a show program, I'll look for a photo of your car. Bob 

[wayne sheldon]

The Ford "H" headlight lenses were introduced on the model T in late 1921, so would not be actually correct for a 1912 model T. However, IF they have been on it since the 1940s (?) they would be a big part of the car's history! If that is the case? Maybe the lenses should remain as a testimony to the car's past.

[1937hd45]

My 1912 got electrified headlights in 1950 along with 1928 Model A fluted lenses, they are going to stay. Should get the car out for 2023. 

 

Bob 

Edited December 7, 2022 by 1937hd45 (see edit history)

[edinmass]

As an owner of a very nice brass Ford T, I can say that the “T” guys are harder to deal with on judging the the Model J Dusenberg guys. I find most of the T guys trying to do their best. Personally, a car missing its doors in not complete, and thus not correct. I also understand that it was done twenty years before I was born, and wouldn’t blame them for leaving it the way it is.