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1903 Cleveland Roadster project

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Harm, Alan is not the only one who is impressed with the drawing. I thought the drawing was exceptional. Regards Mike

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Benefits of AACA Membership.

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Dear Alan and Mike,

Thank you very much, but is way too much honor for me. I copied the drawing from an catalog of 1902 "Hercules light Automobile Parts". I just "beefed up" the drawing, retraced some lines and removed some specs, that all. As soon as I have the problems with the scanner addressed (firmware update gone wrong), I will show more pictures of this catalog. This one covers the rear axle. I also have catalogs covering the brakes, front axle and wheel section. Years ago, they were for sale at Ebay, not for long,  I bought them all 😊.

The catalogs came from an agent: Hayden Eames, American trust Building, Cleveland, Ohio. They were agents for Westinghouse Electric and Mfg. Co., Pittsburg; Federal Mfg. Co., Cleveland Ohio and the Cleveland Axle Mfg. Co. Canton Ohio. Gentlemen, I am sorry for the confusion.

Regards,

Harm

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Hello Harm,

Does your little literature stash suggest which manufacturers purchased parts from them?

Regards,

Alan

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Hayden Eames (pronounced "Ames"...the "E" is silent. It is a very old name in Massachusetts) was an ex-US Navy ordinance officer. He inspected Colt revolvers for the navy (his initials can be found on the M1899 Colt Navy revolver) and was later assigned to the Bridgeport Projectile Company where he became very friendly with Hiram Percy Maxim. When he left the Navy he went to work for Col. Pope of Columbia Bicycle (and Pope Hartford, Pope Toledo etc.). He introduced Maxim to Pope and his general manager. Maixm (who was the son of Hiram Maxim, inventor of the Maxim gun) became the chief automotive designer for Pope. Eames later went to work for Studebaker and was instrumental in Studebaker's purchase of EMF. He was a very important, if little known, player in the early American Auto industry.

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Hello Joe,

How successful has the trip been to the UK?  Nice background information regarding Hayden Eames.  It would certainly be interesting to know more of the "back story" of our early automobiles.

Regards,

Al

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4 hours ago, JV Puleo said:

Hayden Eames (pronounced "Ames"...the "E" is silent. It is a very very old name in Massachusetts) was an ex-US Navy ordinance officer. He inspected Colt revolvers for the navy (his initials can be found on the M1899 Colt Navy revolver) and was later assigned to the Bridgeport Projectile Company where he became very friendly with Hiram Percy Maxim. When he left the Navy he went to work for Col. Pope of Columbia Bicycle (and Pope Hartford, Pope Toledo etc.). He introduced Maxim to Pope and his general manager. Maixm (who was the son of Hiram Maxim, inventor of the Maxim gun) became the chief automotive designer for Pope. Eames later went to work for Studebaker and was instrumental in Studebaker's purchase of EMF. He was a very important, if little known, player in the early American Auto industry.

Hello Joe,

Than you for your comment, I find it very interesting. I searched the internet and my literature books , but no mentioning of Hayden Ames. To me its seems likely that he was involved in the delivery of parts for the manufacturing of the Cleveland. Parts, as rear and front axle, brakes and a lot of small stuff, as mentioned and pictured in the catalogs are exact  (form and dimensions) what I have. As soon as I have my scanner up and running again, I will show more of the catalogs.

Regards,

Harm Slot

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18 hours ago, alsfarms said:

Hello Harm,

Does your little literature stash suggest which manufacturers purchased parts from them?

Regards,

Alan

Hello Alan,

No, in a separate catalog the electric car made by Hercules/Westinghouse is mentioned, that is the only one.

Regards,

Harm

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It's an unusual name, especially with the archaic spelling, and I've come across it twice. The first time was when I edited a book on US Navy small arms and his name came up. The second time was in a very good little book entitled "Horseless Carriage Days" by Hiram Percy Maxim. If you haven't seen Maxim's book you should get it. I believe a reprint is available. The original edition was published posthumously in 1937 so it is pretty rare.

Maxim's book is dedicated to Hayden Eames.

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1 hour ago, alsfarms said:

Hello Joe,

How successful has the trip been to the UK?  Nice background information regarding Hayden Eames.  It would certainly be interesting to know more of the "back story" of our early automobiles.

Regards,

Al

It's been my most successful research trip and I've been here more than twenty times in the last thirty years. I have a pile of work to get through when I get back just collating and transcribing the material I've found but I am happy to have it. I leave tomorrow morning. It's a long trip back even living on the east coast but I'll have plenty of time to read on the plane and I've my usual pile of books so, aside from the airport, I'm looking forward to the flight.

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Hello, today got my scanner up and running. So as promised herewith the first installment of the Hayden Ames catalog of 1902 or 3 (I am not sure), addressing the rear axle. Due to the amount of data, the complete publication of this catalog will be done in 3 installments. Total 20 pages, picture resolution = 600 x 800 pixels. If one needs I higher resolution of some pages, please send me a PM. Here we go with the first 7 pages.

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Front cover page

 

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Regards,

Harm

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It looks as if Eames went into the business of selling components for assembled cars. This would be after he left the Pope Mfg. Co. and before he was associated with Studebaker. It is interesting that he references the Norton Grinding Company. Norton effectively invented cylindrical grinding, a technique that was slow to be adopted in Europe as it was feared the grinding process would leave the surface of the parts with abrasive particles embedded in them. These would likely have been very high quality parts made as accurately as the technology of the time permitted.

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Hello Harm,

I am going to keep a copy of your information in my Cleveland file.  Thanks for the effort in posting the pictures.

Regards,

Alan

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Second installment with 7 pages of the Hayden Eames rear axle catalog. Tomorrow the remaining 7 pages will follow.

 

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I guess there are not many catalogs with this kind of information are left. Two years ago, I made some pictures of a Mitchell of 1903, its seems that Mitchell in those years used parts acquired through Hayden Eames. One can clearly recognize the rear and front axle, as are pictured in the catalogs. So I think Cleveland was not the only one, who bought parts through Hayden Eames.

 

Regarding the restoration of the Cleveland, not much done these days. Anna wants to have the vegetable garden tiller-ed. A few weeks ago, I bought a new for me, second hand Iseki small tractor CUT), type TA235, 23 HP. I am busy now to adapt our Kubota tiller to the Iseki, first thought easy peasy. Second more realistic thought, ouch, that will be a lot of welding and machine work. I am now in the middle of it ☹️ I hope....

Regards,

Harm

 

 

 

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Hello Harm,

Thanks for the pictures of parts and pieces from the catalog.  I must say most impressive!  You must have a very good eye for searching for literature as your purchase is very relevant to your Cleveland.  If you get your and Anna's garden tilled, lets see how busy you will be shortly.  I was luck to get all our yard leaves tilled into our garden last fall.  In a couple of weeks we will get prepared and get our onions in the ground.

Regards,

Alan

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Third installment of the last 6 pages of the Hayden Eames rear axle catalog.

 

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Rear cover page

 

This installment completes the copy of the rear axle catalog.

Regards,

Harm

 

 

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Hello Harm,

This is great information indeed!  Thanks for posting.

Regards,

Alan

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3 hours ago, alsfarms said:

Hello Harm,

This is great information indeed!  Thanks for posting.

Regards,

Alan

Hello Alan,

You are welcome.

Regards,

Harm

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Hello Harm,

How did you come out with the new tractor and tilling the garden spot?  Any new developments on the rear axle rebuild?

Regards,

Al

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23 hours ago, alsfarms said:

Hello Harm,

How did you come out with the new tractor and tilling the garden spot?  Any new developments on the rear axle rebuild?

Regards,

Al

Hello Alan,

It went very well. The tractor has some kind of tilling computer on board, so the tilling went very smooth. But I still have no clear understanding of all the knobs on the control panel for the rear hitch. Its all Japanese to me 😆....

 

Regarding the rear axle, I ordered felt for oil seals of the rear bearings, still waiting for it. The weather is slowly improving and its getting warmer, so with some luck I hope on the end of next week  painting the rear axle.

 

The Corona virus measures taken by our government, having more and more impact on our social life. Next Monday, Anna and I would attend a funeral of a former colleague of me, but this morning we got a letter of the family, stating that the funeral will be held with a very much restricted attendance, so we are not going. This makes the loss of husband and father for the family even worse. Furthermore, most of our friends and family stay at home as is advised by our government. Nearly all social and sport events are canceled, our favorite cafe and restaurant is closed. Groceries are no problem, we can order them online, most supermarkets have excellent delivery services.

Regards,

Harm

 

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Hello Harm,

You mentioned being socially impacted by the current Pandemic, hhhmmmm.  That social disruption is also happening here in the US.  Living in a rural area, I already understand some implications of a "quite life".  My wife and I are simply pulling back and are trying to dance by the current music, so to speak.  On top of the Pandemic stress I woke up yesterday morning with my bed rocking and rolling......a 5.7 earthquake happened 160 miles away near Salt Lake City.  Some damage, power out, gas leaks but no death, (but none for us).  The last few days I have spent by myself, in the orchard, pruning trees and getting cleaned up for the new upcoming fruit season.  I have one early Apricot in bloom already!  Any new Cleveland developments over on your side of the pond?

Regards,

Alan

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6 hours ago, alsfarms said:

Hello Harm,

You mentioned being socially impacted by the current Pandemic, hhhmmmm.  That social disruption is also happening here in the US.  Living in a rural area, I already understand some implications of a "quite life".  My wife and I are simply pulling back and are trying to dance by the current music, so to speak.  On top of the Pandemic stress I woke up yesterday morning with my bed rocking and rolling......a 5.7 earthquake happened 160 miles away near Salt Lake City.  Some damage, power out, gas leaks but no death, (but none for us).  The last few days I have spent by myself, in the orchard, pruning trees and getting cleaned up for the new upcoming fruit season.  I have one early Apricot in bloom already!  Any new Cleveland developments over on your side of the pond?

Regards,

Alan

Hello Alan,

O boy, the Corona virus alone is more than enough to conquer, but having an earthquake on top of it, is terrible. I hope you an your family stay well. Alan, are earthquakes more or less common in Utah? Heavy earthquakes are unknown in the Netherlands, we have some small ones in the northern part of the Netherlands, they are caused by natural gas winning. Social life over here is coming to a full stop, many shops are voluntarily closed (nearly no customers anymore). Restaurants, sport clubs, museums, well all  public facilities are closed. Many (most) manifestations are canceled. We are asked by our government to stay at home, we expect that after the weekend it will be law.

No Cleveland progress made, this morning I received the felt for the oil seals of the rear axle bearings. In between, I started building of an front end loader for my Iseki tractor. Its not complicated,  just a lot of work. Some years ago, I build a small front end loader for our John Deere X740 garden tractor. But the X740 is just a bit to small, although we did a lot of work with it. (absolutly better than a wheel barrow 😃).

Regards,

Harm

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Hello Harm,

I agree with you on your loader project being better than a shovel and wheel barrow!  I could not survive without my loader tractor!  Elsewhere. on forums I am still trying to figure out how to manipulate a Cleveland picture in order to get a better "view" from which I can take scale measurements.  That is one way I am filling up the time while waiting out the Coronavirus Pandemic.  I must admit, I am not much enjoying being compelled to stay home and lay low!  However, much better to do my part stop the spread of the virus until it runs its course.  Do you play much with your other antique automobiles?

Regards,

Alan

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Hello all,

To night, our Prime Minister announced new stringent measures. Most importantly, we all have to stay at home, all non essential shops will be closed, gatherings of more than 2 persons are forbidden,  mayors of large cities may legally close parks, beaches and so on. Fines for not obeying these rules/law will be in the range of $ 450 for persons and $4500 for companies. All measures are valid to at least the first of June, and will be forced, where necessary, by the police. To summarize all this: the Netherlands are in practice, locked down (although our government does not call it so). I just listened to the British prime minister, same message, same measures.

So that leaves me with a lot of time to continue with restoring the Cleveland. No need for preparing my other cars for the summer outings. All car club activities are suspended. Weird times....

Regards,

Harm

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Today, I started with the rear axle. First I needed the  the retaining rings. Could not find the retaining rings 😡, searched high and low, no rings. So after some bad language, I decided to make replacement rings 4x (Position F on the drawing). Furthermore cut out the felt rings 4x (position I and K on the drawing). Fitting the retaining rings took a lot of time. Those things are not flat, but are slightly upward curved, just enough to keep the balls in, and enough play to cause no friction between the ball and the retaining ring.

 

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Diagram of rear axle bearing

 

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Result of to days effort

 

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Completed rear axle bearing, left side of axle (left side of bearing).

 

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Completed rear axle bearing, left side of axle (right side of bearing).

 

Regards,

Harm

 

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