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1925 Buick Standard Top Sockets WITH A TWIST


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I have  been running this in the Buick forum as well as the AACA "Parts Wanted" for about 5 years.

If you are loading for Hershey please take a look.

Wanted    A set of Top Sockets /bows for my 1925 Buick Standard touring.

 This morning I did it again, since people were posting their wish lists for Hershey. Within an hour I had a call from a fellow who was alerted by someone on the forum of my need. The story was (to me) too good to be true. (SCAM?) He also sounded in a hurry since the relator was to be there since they were liquidating the fathers estate. As he said they were going to pitch the top. The1925 Buick Model 25 was supposedly sold over 4 years ago to someone in Canada. His father had sold some other spare parts that went with that car. He said his dad had that set of sockets as a spare. The complete socket set was folded up in a bicycle box. I asked for photos to confirm. I had posted the photos of what Hugh had sent me years ago with dimensions. The caller did say he had no photo capability on his phone. His computer was 160 miles away of course. Also it was located a great distance from me. Near California/Nevada border. Checking on his name there is one noted at Madera Cal. He also indicated that his father had problems with the Buick Club about 10 years ago. I looked up the last name through BCA rosters back to 1997 and the only one is from North Carolina. Still seems to good to be true. 

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There have been suggestions as to having someone else with a capable cell phone do some photos to send. That is exactly what I asked him to do. He replied that the relator it was a real a.. h... etc. and would not help. To me, the relators I have encountered will go the extra efforts. Still, why would he even notify me if he had no way of verifying what he had and had no way of gaining any monies without that verification? Then no desire to keep the item until it could be verified. I tried to ask were the top was at that moment. All he said was that it was somewhere near the California/Nevada border. A pretty long border! His area code indicated Sacramento area. He said that he was 160 miles from home. A target location would have been great as I could have been able to get a local BCA or HCCA member inspect. My impression from his statements was that these were the last items at the parents property. The relator was coming for final inspection and they were going to be pitched otherwise.
 Checking with a friend in California, he said he would be glad to go look at it and if it is as he said, pay for it and see how to get it to me. My friend is 10 hours south of the Sacramento area!  Our plan was to have whoever, could hold the items until my local friend could see them and verify.
 The fellow called 2 more times to complain about the lack of help but made no effort to find a local solution. I did offer enough pending verification to have him make sure the top was not pitched.
 Frustrating and strange.
 But I had been there before. The discarded 1925 Standard roadster parts from Tennessee in 2012. (Rat rod project). After getting the runaround from Ebay buyers (as the seller said) not coming thru. After I had offered $400 earlier for all the mechanical stuff. Engine, trans, (with torched off torque tube) and axles he took all to the scrap and got $158!
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Hi Larry,

 Try dfecustoms.com.au in Australia, they have bought out Australian hood irons, have over 500 drawings of top irons and can probably make you a set from the pictures and measurements you have posted.

Viv.

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Thanks viv w:

 I had been trying to get a set made here in the USA from a concern in California. They indicated that they had trailers full of the irons (sockets) and would probably have a set to match.  I would give a reminder to them several times a year. Each time I tried to contact them there was no reply. There is a gentleman in my town of Chambersburg who does the bows and said he would make them when I got the sockets. 

 It just would kill me to think they were just pitched  because he did not want to deal with it. He said his dad had a top fitted to the set!

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I have a similar set (really, I do) and have had them for over 20 years and was always told the were Buick, but I don't know for sure. I took a photo and put some dimensions on it for your benefit. I must tell you that they are ROUGH. The sockets in some places have split open and they are rusty, but if they are the same as yours, you can always have new sockets made for the cast ends. I hope you can read the numbers. I have both sides, but this is the better side.

 

Frank

518-755-0986

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I recieved a call from "apolo" who is in the San Francisco area and he has even volunteered to go look at the phantom top for me! Also would try to contact the seller (disposer of) from his end.

(Of course we still do not know where it is).

 The people on the forum, AACA members, HCCA, and BCA members are simply the greatest in trying to help fellow hobbyists !

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Thanks Jan:

The 1930 style is very different from the earlier styles. Again, I do have a top, but is was cut down from a larger Buick. Probably a 21-23 6 cylinder car. The 1928 and up open cars no longer has "sockets" but plates with wood facing on exposed areas.

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The placement of the second from the rear socket should make it's angle at the top of the head of my daughter-in-law in the photo. Not across her right eye..

 Even though my top was cut down it is still 3" too tall and does not fold well or stack properly.

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 The front most and the rear most sockets were shortened. But the top mechanism segments are proportional to that particular size top.

 

 

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Well... I thought we had a winner at Hershey. We checked out about 8 sets of sockets. The closest had all the correct dimensions except the rearmost socket. The correct one is to be 24" long while this one was 32" long. Also the bows were all 58" wide front to back which indicated an earlier car. The cut down set on my car also is 58" front to back. They were also in poor condition with a rusted out section and the bows needed replaced.. The seller pushed the  that the bows were useable. I responded that they would not be correct for my car anyway since they were to get smaller toward the windshield at 51 1/2 ". The only bow that could be applied was the rear most bow at 58". And, that was the one that was split at the bends.  To have to cut out 8" on the rear socket would still give me exactly what I have now.

Still no word from the fellow along the California/Nevada border. If his story was true then the sockets are in a landfill somewhere by now. Or just my imagination?

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Thanks to all who have been trying to help me!

Several forum members have done a diligent search and some have come up with partial samples.  I have had to put them off because a gentleman I have already dealt with and came through for me with a very nice radiator shell keeps putting me off.  He has promised to check on them again in the next few weeks. The set he has is from a basket case 1924 Model 35 4 cylinder. If he can get to the rough set he has stored at a seldom visited property at least I have a pattern to duplicate.

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