1932 Lincoln Victoria Coupe

[Mark Gregory]

NOT MINE  -  IT has been for sale before then taken off the market.

I believe the lines are a lot like the Reo Royale with out suicide doors.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Edsel-Fords-Gorgeous-1932Lincoln-Victoria-Coupe-1933Street1934Rod32Rat33Vicky34/182305372814?hash=item2a723f3a8e:g:M2YAAOSwNRdX~ldP

Edited September 20, 2019 by Mark Gregory (see edit history)

[alsancle]

He will never get the 50k.  Cool car though. Basically same Murray body as Royale.

Edited September 20, 2019 by alsancle (see edit history)

[C Carl]

Well now : Bob,  the owner of this magnificently beautiful vehicle, suggests springing for it right now while the getting is good. Warns the price will go up if he can get the tired, crack blocked old engine to actually run whether it will hold water or not. Claims he will be happy to look at it for the rest of his life effin he can't get his price. I certainly do wish him a long and happy life. By the way : For youse having only half da money, he also has a big '33 Buick, a museum or collection grade "survivor". "Too nice to restore", he reports. Says its unrestored condition is just what is popular these days. Check it out ! Wonder what else he has for his "keepers". Sure wish I had 75 grand for the pair of 'em.................. Sigh !    -    CC 

 

CORRECTION : Naw, it is the BUICK he says will bump up in price if he can get it to run. HURRY !

 

 

Edited September 20, 2019 by C Carl
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[mike6024]

interior

 

[Guest]

I learned years ago not to post craigslist ads, eBay listings or long winded diatribes to old high school girlfriends when drinking alone, late at night.

[edinmass]

That is a very good looking parts car........sad but true. 

[John_S_in_Penna]

8 hours ago, alsancle said:

He will never get the 50k.  

 

I agree.  Pictured below is a nice '32 Lincoln,

evidently the same model, which was for sale

10 years ago for about $38,000.  It was an

amateur restoration for sale by a member of the

Hornets' Nest Region, and it didn't sell immediately.

 

It ended up in the hands of a dealer, who promptly

tried to raise the price to almost $100,000, and who

lied to me when I told her I knew of the car:

 

Edited September 20, 2019 by John_S_in_Penna (see edit history)

[Xander Wildeisen]

10 hours ago, GregLaR said:

I learned years ago not to post craigslist ads, eBay listings or long winded diatribes to old high school girlfriends when drinking alone, late at night.

Isn't that what we do on this site every day.

[keiser31]

I LOVE the lines of the car.

[C Carl]

Uh huh ! And the impressive, restored example above almost certainly started out with better bones than the "survivor" currently offered on "The Bay".  Fortunately, Bob also loves the lines so much that he will be happy to admire the car as it further deteriorates over, hopefully, many more decades. 'Course I expect the longer it "survives", the more it will be worth. Look for it back on the market in 2029. $69,999. Bargain at twice the price. 

 

Anyone check out the great big beautiful Bu' ? Waddaya think ? Bit too good to restore ? Just a light value enhancing "patina", right ?

 

                                                                      Can I get a witness !         -     Cadillac Carl 

 

P.S.  I'm getting carried away. Dis is FUUUUUNNNNNNNN  ain't it ! 

[mike6024]

The same gentleman has a Model A for sale as well; did you see it?

 

 

 

Edited September 21, 2019 by mike6024 (see edit history)

[mike6024]

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Survivor-1933-Buick-91-Club-Sedan-1932-1934-Ford-Coupe-Roadster-SCTA-Push-Car/123852892709?

 

 

[C Carl]

Wow Mike ! Missed the other ones. Enough combined value on the market there to retire to The South of France ! Bob really oughtta take the Linc' along. Separation anxiety probably would be too much to bear. Besides, a lucky winner down Monte Carlo way might exit the casino only to fall desperately in love and pay a fat premium to be the next proud caretaker ! I spent some of the greatest times of my life down on the Riv' there a full 1/2 century ago. I remember late one night listening to French radio with my Danish girlie 😍 by my side. I had to translate what I just heard for her. President Dwight David Eisenhower, 5 Star Gen. U.S. Army (ret.) had just died.  😢   -   Carl 

[mike6024]

How did he come by all these  treasures? Did he buy a whole estate at an estate sale and the vehicles came with it?

[C Carl]

I get the feeling from reading everything in the Buick and Linc' ads, that this stuff was just found where he came across 'em. Here in Montana, there in Wyoming. Seems to me that he always kept an eye out for rotting flesh out to pasture. Maybe picked up for hundreds, perhaps a bit more. Lucky guy. But you really have to be ready when the opportunity surprises you. Carry cash at all times.   -   Carl 

[Xander Wildeisen]

A lot of people just parked cars out behind the barn, in this part of the country. Kept them for parts on the farm, handy if you never use it. Very easy for someone to gather up a bunch of old iron in some of these western states. Hard to do now. Not so hard 25-30 years ago. Lots of stuff still sitting in buildings out this way.

[John_Mereness]

Exceptionally good looking car and commend the owner in getting car more complete for the next owner.  

 

RM Auctions just sold a running driving fairly solid 1929 Lincoln L Opera Coupre for $10,450 and another exceptionally solid partially restored example for the same money at $11,550 (which both included buyers fee)  - and the partially restored L probably had double that in new chrome matched to another 40K plus in restoration work already done. And, this was RM's second attempt to sell the cars too.

 

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/af19/auburn-fall/lots/r0212-1930-lincoln-model-l-179-coupe/797774

 

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/af19/auburn-fall/lots/r0213-1929-lincoln-model-l-179-coupe/797776

Edited September 22, 2019 by John_Mereness (see edit history)

[auburnseeker]

Crazy the market seems so low on these.  That 29 Would be a fun winter project with a ton of $ spent already.  I can say if the 30 was around here and I went to look at it,  for that price,  I probably would have dragged it home.  For much the same reason we are in love with Matt's Chevy Coupe.   Service it,  get it running and use it as is. 

[alsancle]

You can’t give project cars away anymore. Unless they are an early 30s 3 window and you know what that means.

[edinmass]

7 minutes ago, alsancle said:

You can’t give project cars away anymore. Unless they are an early 30s 3 window and you know what that means.

 

Yes......It means your looking at buying it! 😎

[keiser31]

14 minutes ago, alsancle said:

You can’t give project cars away anymore. Unless they are an early 30s 3 window and you know what that means.

I guess that means that my two three window coupes will never lose value....but, of course, they are NOT Fords....

[60FlatTop]

I have never know much about the market. I think most of the cars I bought were impulse buys.

 

I'd get them home, clean them like I was going to a show, check them over, and if they didn't meet my expectations I would sell them. I kept the best ones. Don't remember losing any huge amounts of money and always had a flew bucks in a tin can to buy another.

 

Now, if I did start following this market thing........ I wouldn't make those impulse purchases?

 

Maybe I was misled, but I always thought hobby cars were discretionary purchases. If your tin can has the 50K in it and you want the car that much you get it.

 

Sometimes I get to thinking there are old guys out there who won't buy Duluth Trading Company underwear because they can't feel their money close enough.

 

But it if you like it.

Bernie

[auburnseeker]

I guess that kind of sinks the latest and greatest thing is going to be the 4 door craze thinking. 

[Brooklyn Beer]

Love 4 doors because they are cheap. (yes come over to the dark side)  I just found this local for 1800 bucks. some rust in the back rockers and above rear wheel but super solid floors and trunk AND spare tire well.  Will make a good parts chaser to go with the other two dodge parts chasers I have.   I need to stop looking at the local ads.  But hard to turn down a survivor with 65K miles that runs and drives like a 65K miles used car of today. Folks lived on a gravel road so imagine the stone bruises.  Rock flaps must have been a factory option. ha     I will pass this on to my nephew in a few years hopefully.

[Brooklyn Beer]

I would call this a bargain.   1950's America personified was cars like this and why i am attracted to the "everyday working mans" car.

[auburnseeker]

I don't have a problem personally with 4 doors,  the problem comes when I go to sell it to the next guy as I never plan to keep any for very long.  Too many great cars to still enjoy.  He will most likely complain it's a 4 door and not buy it.   I also found out that almost every part that fits a 4 door (less some trim and sheetmetal) also fits it's 2 door counterpart.  The difference is when you do all the unseen stuff, you usually can get a little more out of the 2 door than the 4 door so you don't lose as much money.  These are great cars for a beginner especially that only has a grand or two but can wrench to get into the hobby.  Since I have worked up past that,  unless it's a smoking bargain I love to death,  I will move on to the next car.  Especially now with so many great cars coming on the market at what seem like very reasonable if not bargain prices from what they were a few years ago.

Of course that's the reason I drive a Hudson Pickup and not a Chevy.  Sold the Chevy and Bought the Hudson.  Don't regret it one day. 

[Matt Harwood]

6 minutes ago, auburnseeker said:

I don't have a problem personally with 4 doors,  the problem comes when I go to sell it to the next guy as I never plan to keep any for very long.  Too many great cars to still enjoy.  He will most likely complain it's a 4 door and not buy it.  

 

I usually point out to guys who call on a car and then claim it's not what they want so I should discount it that they are essentially saying it IS what they want, they just don't want to pay for it. That's a significant difference and calling them out on it resets the table. You know that I know that you want this car. I know that you know that I know that you want this car. I also now know you can't afford a convertible or a two-door. The fact that you can't afford a convertible or a two door doesn't mean my 4-door is worth less, only that you are financially behind and even a 4-door is probably still a reach. Shall we stop dancing and talk like adults?

 

Most guys don't expect pushback. Either they get angry and go away or we figure it out. But the minute a guy starts talking like that, I know he's at the outer limits of what he can afford or he's a sport negotiator who isn't a buyer anyway. 

 

On a different note, I really like 4-doors. I think they often have better proportions, I think they're more impressive, and as a guy with a family they're eminently practical. People are always amazed by my '29 Cadillac and the opulence that the interior represents. They didn't react that way to the 1929 Cadillac dual cowl sport phaeton I had parked next to it. They love the massive rear compartment of the '41 Buick limo but have no real opinions on the '41 Roadmaster convertible sedan next to it. 

And just look how many people own expensive "open" cars and never, ever put the top down. Spend 3x the money for an open car, never put the top down, and get an inferior driving experience (flapping canvas, leaky windows, more noise, more heat, more cold, more dirt). It's not reasonable. None of this hobby is reasonable. 

[edinmass]

I have owned virtually every body style pre war CCCA car but one. Interestingly Limos are a favorite of mine. Also Dual Cowl Phaeton’s. The only body style I will NEVER own? 

 

 

Convertible Sedan

[auburnseeker]

I have a max low 30G budget right now so I'll hold out for atleast a 2 door,  but hopefully a needy convertible will fall into my lap.  Of course we aren't talking Pierce arrow or Upper level Packard but if I wanted to slump to a Ford from the 30's I know of a very nice 36 Phaeton that falls surprisingly quite a bit under that and a 34 Phaeton that looks very nice for right at the top of my budget and it's even in my neck of the woods.  Problem is neither has screamed at me,  buy me you fool or you'll regret it.  Lots of stuff coming on the market it seems and at good prices t oabsorb the cost of fixing all the things that never got fixed when they were restored or neglected before they were stuck in storage.  Might as well hold out for just the right car.  I'm not incredibly fussy and can do my own work so that opens up the options,  I just have to love the body style.  Not to say there aren't a bunch of coupes I would kick to the curb,  just never had alot of use for a 4 door.  I had a few,  pretty nice cars.  38 Cadillac, 57 Chevy Belair sedan had a 48 Chevy Aerosedan but that was a  2 door, nice original 48 Cadillac Sedanette again another 2 door with lots of room in the back seat , but You know what.  Never had anyone that wanted to ride in the back so it was wasted space.  Had a 61 Tbird Conv't with the tonneau and never took it off.  I don't tour much,  especially now.  The wife hasn't even ridden in one of my cars in atleast 5 years.  So I'll deal with the flapping top,  hell even no top if that's the way it is to get the right car.  Trips to the hardware or Post office are about as far as I get.  I'll brave the inconveniences and elements.  

I have a couple of ads out right now looking to buy a car  and here are a few of the cars I used.  One specifically looking for a 33 or 34 Dodge Coupe or Roadster.  Of course a 32 Plymouth roadster would do as well.   Don't want to spend my money on a sedan that I think is OK then find one of the above and find I'm short because I spent my money on something that would do but wasn't what I loved.  When I walk in the garage and see it,  it has to make me smile. I only have one opening in my heated garage right now and I'm saving it for the right car. 

It's not even a price thing.  I find the little Pontiac Coupe at the end a sharp looking car that I would look at and might even drag home if it wasn't almost 6 hours away. 

[C Carl]

Randy, what is that 2nd car ? The old black phaeton or touring ? It looks familiar, I think I saw it here a while ago. My mind and memory are just a little worse than the average 75 year old, so I could be mistaken. In any case, from my perspective, it sure looks good. Please remind me.                 Thanks,    -   Carl 

             

[hidden_hunter]

I like the body style of my 1922 Cadillac Type 61 5 passenger coupe, very large windows that open both front and back - has the practicality of a sedan (lockable storage!) but a little more style. 

[John_S_in_Penna]

9 hours ago, edinmass said:

I have owned virtually every body style pre war CCCA car but one. Interestingly Limos are a favorite of mine. Also Dual Cowl Phaeton’s. The only body style I will NEVER own? 

Convertible Sedan

 

Why don't you prefer convertible sedans, Ed?

They certainly seem to be common in CCCA circles--

many have been restored--despite original low production

numbers.  Is it because the top is hard to fold down?

Aren't they essentially later-model touring cars with

roll-up windows?

 

Your expertise makes your observations interesting.

[auburnseeker]

6 hours ago, C Carl said:

Randy, what is that 2nd car ? The old black phaeton or touring ? It looks familiar, I think I saw it here a while ago. My mind and memory are just a little worse than the average 75 year old, so I could be mistaken. In any case, from my perspective, it sure looks good. Please remind me.                 Thanks,    -   Carl 

             

I don't' remember what it was.  It was for sale,  just above my budget I believe.  Might even still be for sale.  It was one of the images of unrestored cars that came up on Google when I needed some images.  I chose from ones I would like and might fit my price range then placed an ad using those photos to give people an idea of what I'm looking for.  If I don't do that,  I get everybody with a 75 Chrysler Imperial calling me or some similar car which I have no interest in.  As it is I still get those just not as many.  As you know old car, Vintage Car, Antique car and even Classic car have been so loosely used over the years that anything that's not late model is considered any of the previous mentioned.  

I did have a 33 Plymouth conv't offered yesterday that someone was starting to hot rod,  but the seller said it's easily reversible so I'm waiting for photos on that. 

 

I see this Auburn Sold at the Auburn Sale for 70G all inclusive.  So Does anyone know what the seller walked away with? A little south of 60?  Boy I would have really been interested in that at that price range.  Wish it hadn't gone to auction and they had just put it up for sale.  Might have somehow pulled some strings to make it happen. 

One sedan I would like to own though I wasn't crazy about the tan interior I would have lived with it. 

 

 

[edinmass]

1 hour ago, John_S_in_Penna said:

 

Why don't you prefer convertible sedans, Ed?

They certainly seem to be common in CCCA circles--

many have been restored--despite original low production

numbers.  Is it because the top is hard to fold down?

Aren't they essentially later-model touring cars with

roll-up windows?

 

Your expertise makes your observations interesting.

 

It would take too long and too many pages here to explain. They are a good compromise for many people....."open and closed" all in one. They just are not for me. After 1931 not too many companies made four door open cars( phaeton, 7 pass touring, DC, ect.) , so in many cases, you don't have the option if you want a four door open car. Putting the top up and down can be a challange on many of them. 

[auburnseeker]

Still better than a retractable or any of the other overly complicated early 60's Fords like the Tbird. (I had one) On the old cars eventually you will get it down, where it's usually a gamble with those.

Do you feel lucky today?  If so push that switch and see.   They should have replaced the switch with a lever from a one armed bandit.  Would have been more fitting.

 

I'll post back when I get my Auburn on how bad it is. 

[Licespray]

On 9/20/2019 at 7:40 PM, edinmass said:

That is a very good looking parts car........sad but true. 

 

 

You yanks crack us Aussies up. Parts car? Pfft! Easy restoration project over here compared to what most of us start with.

 

What Americans tend to say is too far gone or not worth it we tackle and bring back. Maybe we just don’t have the luxury of as much choice so we make do? Or we just enjoy a challenge more

 

Cheerio!

[John Kelso]

Before you lump all Americans together from the comments on this form you may wish to chat with a few of the pre war people

[alsancle]

1 hour ago, JAK said:

Before you lump all Americans together from the comments on this form you may wish to chat with a few of the pre war people

 

Ed is harsh in his language but he is not wrong.   The chances of this Lincoln being restored is probably under 10%.     It is not because it is an undesirable car,  or that it is missing too much stuff.  It just makes no sense to fully restore, even if you were given the car for free.

 

30-50 years ago I would have said  something different.

[alsancle]

On the topic of convertible sedans,  I think the issue is that for the most part they are not as attractive as the equivalent club sedan yet they are priced in the convertible segment of bodies for that chassis.    An attractive convertible sedan at a reasonable price will sell.   But the days of putting a convertible sedan in the same bucket with a convertible Victoria,  roadster, or convertible coupe are gone.

[alsancle]

And now that I think about it,   Ed and I both have a buddy that searched out a convertible sedan on purpose because he has young kids.   But,  the guy in the hobby with young kids that are not his grand kids is rare.