B Jake Moran

1952 Mercedes 300 - the Adenaur WOW!

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Like most cars, especially ones I find!, these are so beautiful in this nice condition as the Silver and Blue One.  Great lines, correct sized.

 

I spoke personally with the seller and she offered me $4200 because I spoke with her and was fairly close.  The estate wants to settle, sell the house and move on.  I think it is a good $2500 in today's market but on ebay, with the low inventory of restorable cars, it might fetch $4000 to $6000. 

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This is the kind of thing where if you were standing there with the $2500 in cash you would probably get it.

Two price reductions over the phone shows desperation.

And they always have a serious shopper on the way over.

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On 8/24/2019 at 1:06 PM, B Jake Moran said:

 

 

 

 

Look, I get it it would be a lot to restore.  What if mileage is correct at 33,000.  It's straight, complete and has a lot less chrome than American cars from the 50's.  You either like the styling or you do not, and I do.  Mercedes Benz has restoration services and parts in house.  Being an early Adenaur, they would love to assist someone in it's restoration.  I guess I do not see where it would cost $200,000 to restore this one.  It has been inside stored for decades.   Wiring and mechanical restoration would be a challenge. 

 

 

 

 

I've been to the Mercedes-Benz Classic Center in Irvine a couple of times. You should call them up for an estimate of restoring it in house, which they'd be happy to do. Call (949) 598-4850. Have you had any experience with repairs and parts prices at your local Mercedes-Benz dealer? I found an article in The Robb Report re: old Mercedes restorations:

 

        "The center does offer a retail department, where a handful of contemporary classic and vintage Mercedes models are available, ranging in price from a modest $25,000 to seven figures.    But Kunz says that the majority of the center’s work involves the restoration of a customer’s current car. In those instances, a full restoration can take two to three years and, depending on the car and its existing condition, can cost between $250,000 and $500,000. With such a restoration project, Kunz and his team guarantee a finished product that is historically accurate—something that he acknowledges is sometimes compromised by other restorers."

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, woodstocker said:

That looks like a cool hot rodded Benz! Probably the cheapest to maintain vs an original engined Adenaur.

 

What leads you to believe it is not stock?

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Has a Chevy V-8 in it.

 

I am offering my 1954 Mercedes Benz 300 Adenauer sunroof  VIN 4500507 project for sale. On the data plate 300-1 186015 which designates sliding sunroof.  It has been sitting for the past 25 or so years. The odometer reading is 55,587. The true mileage is unknown. The car was purchased by the previous owner who then proceeded to have the engine swapped from the original inline 6 to a chevy small block V8. I was told the engine is a 327 but it is likely a later 350. This was done professionally and while being used , it was a reliable driver. At the time of the engine swap a GM automatic transmission was installed as well as power steering.  

The interior was replaced with brown leather in the 1980’s prior to the previous owner. It is in nice condition. There are no rips or tears.  The headliner was also replaced and is in excellent condition. The wood has few areas of water damage at the lower corners of the back window but generally it is very good with a nice satin finish. I have not opened the sunroof . 

The body panels are straight . The paint is poor and flaking. It was likely done in the 1980’s. The car was originally black.  Paint code 40G. The gaps or shut lines are consistent as seen. The driver side rear door is out a little. There is some rust staining at the lower door edges but no perforations. The chrome is unrestored and looks good. I find no evidence of major collision damage. 

The belly pan is solid as seen in the photos.  I don't see any evidence of significant rust. There are no rust holes. A cross member was welded to the frame to support the power steering rack. A center section of the frame was removed so the transmission would clear. That piece of metal was saved. 

The engine as stated has been converted to a GM V8. The firewall and inner fenders have not been cut or altered.The car sat idle for 25 or so years. The engine was not seized. It was properly drained and cleaned before it was started.  It now starts easily and runs well with no unusual noises. The carb is a Quadrajet 4 BBL.  The 3 speed GM automatic transmission shifts without trouble. There is no neutral safety switch so it will start in gear so it is unsafe. The tires will hold air but they are rotten and can’t be trusted. I have only driven in my driveway. The brakes are almost non existent. They will require a complete rebuild. They will stop the car so it can be driven to a transport trailer. The emergency brake does work. The car was an automatic originally. 

I have the Mercedes engine which is included. The engine casting number is 860 110 901. Also 30E52. There is a tag on the block that is difficult to read. I believe it reads 1186/186920 1535/52.  It was not stored in ideal conditions. It was disassembled and crated but exposed to temperature and humidity changes so there is rust. I’m am not an expert so I cannot determine if it is the original. It does have a casting date on the block that appears to be 1952. The engine appears to be almost complete but I cannot guarantee this. Undoubtedly, there are parts and brackets missing. There is no fuel pump. According to the previous owner, the water pump failed and the decision was made to do the conversion. The original automatic transmission is included also.

I have a  clear Kansas antique title.

 The complete history of this car is not known. To be a good driver at a minimum,  it will need tires, a complete brake refurbish, as well as a neutral safety switch for the transmission. I am reluctant to sell but I have too many projects. Ask any question and I will do my best to answer it honestly. My Ebay feedback supports this. I want this car to go to a good home and I want the buyer to be happy with the purchase and know what they are buying. I have many photos and I am willing to take more. I will have photos posted on Photo Bucket. Contact me for the link. It will be available for inspection by appointment during the auction. Ideally, it should be inspected prior to purchase like any other car. There may have been concerns not mentioned. The car is sold “as is, where is” without guarantee written or implied. The car will be picked up at my house. I will not deliver. I can help load. I don't think the engine and parts will fit in the car.  I require a $500.00 payment within 24 hours and the balance in 5 days. The car must be picked up within 30 days. It will not leave here until satisfactory payment has been made. If you cannot meet these requests, please do not bid. Thanks for your interest.

 

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I have to admit I find that silver car strangely appealing. It's quite handsome with the chrome wheels and hubcaps. That's probably the car to own if you're on a budget. Get it safe and running and go have fun. Treat it as a beater and people will be horrified but you'll know the secret. Resist the temptation to put loud mufflers on it--instead, put two mufflers on it so it's very quiet. I can see having fun with THAT.

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Molly, sellers agent, texted me that the sellers offer of a "cashiers check" was declined and the family has now lowered the price to $3500 for me.   I don't know, I'd swap one of my barely running Reattas for it.  (Not swap with them, but I mean garage space)  

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I can see the appeal of both of these cars. Fun is why we're here, right?

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do it!

 

when will you get the opportunity again???

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If you have fallen in love with it, why not? If you don't do it, it will be one of the lost opportunities that we all regret sooner or later. But for a foreign make (from your point of view) don't expect to find parts anywhere close . Overseas shipping costs add up easily. Luckily the MB community stores a lot of parts and even MB has still lots of parts for their babies. But Mercedes parts are nowhere cheap. On the big swap meets here in Germany you find a lot. Only MB and VW are real collectibles with huge communities here. But parts for an Adenauer? No idea.

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2 hours ago, B Jake Moran said:

Molly, sellers agent, texted me that the sellers offer of a "cashiers check" was declined...

 

 

You mean another potential buyer offer a cashiers check and they turned it down?

 

 

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Hey Jake : I hereby pledge $10 (ten dollars) towards the purchase of this sad, deteriorated, hungry, decrepit money pit in the highly unlikely event you actually pull the trigger on it. Didn't you say you have a couple of kids to put through college ? Start putting a little away now for some really decent car when you are my age. If gasoline is still available then, you will be driving that vehicle sooner than you would be able to drive this one in the intervening two decades. (You and I know you will not fall for this one - no sunroof anyway - so let Molly and the sellers know now that you have come to your senses and will refrain). There you have it ! Don't you feel better now ?  

         As always, thank you for bringing interesting cars up for us to chew on !    -   Carl 

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2 hours ago, Hans1965 said:

If you have fallen in love with it, why not? If you don't do it, it will be one of the lost opportunities that we all regret sooner or later. But for a foreign make (from your point of view) don't expect to find parts anywhere close . Overseas shipping costs add up easily. Luckily the MB community stores a lot of parts and even MB has still lots of parts for their babies. But Mercedes parts are nowhere cheap. On the big swap meets here in Germany you find a lot. Only MB and VW are real collectibles with huge communities here. But parts for an Adenauer? No idea.

Indeed mercedes parts are nowhere cheap and when you have to go to the classic center you need a very thick wallet .I  still happen to have 2 adenauer parts cars a 300b and a 300d but to much rusted to restore .This adenauer without any idea how the bottom is and engine is an open question that didn't run in 10 years .Than export over land to port and then shipping and import duties well i am not Mr rockefeller neither .On top only cash does the deal ....

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Daniel, my friend, I am feeling somewhat negative tonight. Therefore ,it is with great sorrow that I must bring to your attention a sobering reality. Daniel, you are too old now to tie up the necessary remaining years to deal with projects like this. You only need one more car, one you really love, one well sorted, and ready to do your bidding. This is not it, and if you are remotely considering acquiring this, or anything even remotely resembling it, please come to your senses. Today may well be the healthiest, strongest, most able day for the rest of your life. Make the most of it. If I remember correctly, you are almost my age. Increased difficulty may strike at any time. Please call me again if you would like. Find a worthy car, and tour the region when and where you pick it up.    -    Carl 

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You couldn't turn the rusty car with plastic windows in the initial post into the silver car for the ~$5000 difference in price. Buy the silver one if you like these cars. Getting a small block Chevy and a TH350 operational will cost less than one fuel injector on the original engine. Who cares if it's correct? You'll spend the rest of your life not driving the car if you need to make that first one correct--you'd have to sell your house to make that car ambulatory. Or you can be driving the silver one before Hershey.

 

Or this is all just sound and fury signifying nothing. Again.

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Keeping things apples to apples...

 

The silver Adfenauer is not for sale at $8.1K. That's a current high bid that's failed to meet what is likely a much higher reserve.

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18 hours ago, C Carl said:

Hey Jake : I hereby pledge $10 (ten dollars) towards the purchase of this sad, deteriorated, hungry, decrepit money pit in the highly unlikely event you actually pull the trigger on it. Didn't you say you have a couple of kids to put through college ? Start putting a little away now for some really decent car when you are my age. If gasoline is still available then, you will be driving that vehicle sooner than you would be able to drive this one in the intervening two decades. (You and I know you will not fall for this one - no sunroof anyway - so let Molly and the sellers know now that you have come to your senses and will refrain). There you have it ! Don't you feel better now ?  

         As always, thank you for bringing interesting cars up for us to chew on !    -   Carl 

Yes Carl that is the point.  There are any number of normal collector cars.  I always hope what I locate will find someone.  I will go look at the car.  There is still a lot of unknowns.  For instance, Molly states the mileage is 33,000 original.  The friends dad who owned this car, as mentioned, owned 10 at one time and likely a Pagoda and other MBs.  

 

What if the floors are solid, the engine is complete and just dusty.   They want to settle this estate.  I am pretty sure I could buy it and flip it and make a small amount.  Which would not be the point.   I obviously love Adenaurs but you are correct (all of you) my large scale restoration days are likely behind me.  

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I think the point is that you don't have to "restore" it to enjoy it.

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