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48 minutes ago, 60FlatTop said:

If you look deeply at the 70 and 80 year old car hobbyists you will see that their attitude toward newer (30 and 40 year old) cars can simply be defined as arrogance. Once you recognize it the best thing to do is distance yourself.

 

Generally they aren't interested in a car because they are busy telling how much better theirs is.

 

I remember a time when I was not yet into my teens when I went to the barber shop. The barber held a sermon standing across from a row of his old cronies. I sat and listened. He told them about a young "boy" who came in and asked for a shave and a haircut. "Well, I gave that young big shot a shave he won't forget for a week. Got it so close it was burning red." he proudly told the sniggering group. That was about the time I began associating with older mechanics and found that to be a very common attitude all my life. That is what I ran into with very few exceptions. It left a lasting impression that continued to be reinforced over the years.

Neither my barber or I have much use for old men and we laugh about it. It is a continuation of the old guy at family reunions who would pinch your forearm to prove he could still hurt someone and hook your leg with his cane and laugh when he tripped you.

 

You know what they say "I can for the cars, but stayed for the people". When if happens the other way no one knows.

Bernie

 

Well Bernie, you sure paint a different picture of the car culture that I'm surrounded with. At almost 69 years old most of my car friends are in their 50's 60's, 70's 80's some in their 90's. The guys I know are into all cars foreign and domestic NEW and OLD, and in general into all years. My little city is a hot bed of all kinds of cars and a huge retirement car enthusiast population where most people work on their own cars. At least half or more of the guys I know including myself have large shops and at least one lift with multiple cars. Most of our backgrounds revolve around automotive, aviation, engineering, machinist, electricians, heck, a good friend that's into corvette's was a ship surveyor of mainly U.S. warships. What I'm saying is most are of a technical background and just like in the Surfing world it was always the "interest" and not age that brought us together.

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I agree with a lot of the comments here.  As a twentysomething with a ‘51 bus and no mechanical background, I’m grateful to a lot of older hobbyists.  My experiences with older generations are mostly positive, but I have encountered and avoided stick-in-the-mud types who fit every stereotype mentioned in this thread!

 

I think the key to “saving” the antique car hobby is to accept that there is not one all-encompassing body of “car people,” but a massive imaginary Venn Diagram of overlapping special interests.  I’m not here for the cars, I’m a bus and trolley car guy.  But the folks here care about originality, history, and making carbureted gas engines run right, which is what I care about too.  You’d think I’d fit in better on a bus or truck forum, but my interests don’t intersect with the masses of diesel powered camper conversions that dominate the “old bus hobby.”  So I keep coming back here, and I love it.

 

Accepting that people who share one of our interests don’t have to share ALL of our interests will help retain new blood.  Like me.

 

Also, we can’t act like one hobby is better, or “the original,” when compared to other interests.  Even the guy who has tons of the earliest mass-produced cars ever can get out-original’ed sometimes.  Just ask any electric trolley car operator... from a certain comical point of view, this entire car hobby is a bunch of 1900s young whippersnappers with their newfangled horseless carriages!

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In my world every one should own at least one pick up truck.

I have three, each for its own purpose.

I also have several of what I may call collectable vehicles. A couple that are stock and a few that are hot rods. These change often.

My winter DD is an 03 Dakota, That and my 03 Motor home are the newest rigs that I own.

A 95 F350 for towing. Low mileage at 140K

Then my summer DD is a 64 D-100. It is registered as a collectable with yom plates. (Its in primer now and I need a better tail gate.). Which is simply a convenience as my DD's change daily. I have never been harassed about daily driving any of my vehicles that are registered as "Special Interest" here in Oregon.

I am the guy in the neighborhood that is known for driving a different car most every day.

I am also the guy that the kids come to to get the bike tires aired up and the guy that most neighbors come to for most all car/ lawn mower/ chain saw/ weed eater/ etc. advice.

As those bike kids grow up I am usually asked about their first cars and often will work on them.

This gets more difficult for me as I don't do much with newer stuff including those 03's.

Here if its 25 years or older they are eligible for "Special Interest".

As we have discussed here before 25 years is just a used car and I agree. But I remember when we avoided anything that had close to 100,000 miles on it.

That has all changed now that low mileage goes WAY beyond 100,000 miles.

 

Goofy old bachelor that lives alone and insures over a dozen vehicles. I have the disease. So commit me !!!!

 

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4 hours ago, Brill_C-37M_Bus said:

I agree with a lot of the comments here.  As a twentysomething with a ‘51 bus and no mechanical background, I’m grateful to a lot of older hobbyists.  My experiences with older generations are mostly positive, but I have encountered and avoided stick-in-the-mud types who fit every stereotype mentioned in this thread!

Accepting that people who share one of our interests don’t have to share ALL of our interests will help retain new blood.  Like me.

 

Also, we can’t act like one hobby is better, or “the original,” when compared to other interests.  Even the guy who has tons of the earliest mass-produced cars ever can get out-original’ed sometimes.  Just ask any electric trolley car operator... from a certain comical point of view, this entire car hobby is a bunch of 1900s young whippersnappers with their newfangled horseless carriages!

Yes, the hobby definitely includes Public Transportation vehicles, be it a city transit bus, inter-city highway bus, or a school bus.   

 

Here is an ex-Edmonton Transit 1949 CCF Brill: https://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?57746-Orphan-of-the-Day-12-31-1949-CCF-Brill-C-36

 

1937 Twin Coach:  http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?47035-Orphan-of-the-Day-12-17-1937-Twin-Coach

 

And a 1911 Packard 'mountain wagon' here:  https://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?30461-Packard-truck

 

Craig

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6 hours ago, padgett said:

I once took a '38 Mack dump truck on an economy run. They scored by the ton-mpg. Rules were modified for the next event.

As I recall, the old Mobilgas Economy Runs (later Pure Oil)were also scored by ton-mpg, which as later modified as well.  A 1951 Lincoln won the award that year which went by the ton-mpg, and later, after the rules were changed, 6-cylinder/OD car cars including Studebaker Champions logically won.

 

Craig

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And let’s not forget automobile powered rail, like this 1920s Maxwell powered rail inspectors car.

 

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They leave their tracks behind: https://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?43114-Railroad-Track-Inspection-Cars-(Stude-s-and-Others)

 

A rare scale model piece is the Lionel Trains 1958 Desoto station wagon inspection car.  (I've never seen one in person, but they say its not as well detailed as it should be, and does not match the level of their train sets.)

 

Craig

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Lionel was never as detailed as some though as a kid I had many - standard, O, and O-27. Later I got into N gouge and those were quite detailed.

ps I have never owned a Ford or a Pick-Up truck.

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Model Trains and building model's are also two hobbies that kids do not participate in anymore 

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33 minutes ago, John348 said:

Model Trains and building model's are also two hobbies that kids do not participate in anymore 

 

You're right, John.  There was an article in

The Wall Street Journal a few years ago,

stating that that the model railroad hobby is

concerned, too, about the lack of younger enthusiasts.

(In fact, our forum discussed that subject

in an interesting thread at that time.)

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Well, model railroader numbers are declining, but hardly in crisis.  Same as any hobby, really.  I wrote for the youth section in a model train review magazine during college, so it was a topic of great interest.

 

I’m glad to hear from so many other model railroaders, especially since model trains can be a heck of a good start for future car restorers!  After installing teeny little sound computer chips in 1:160 trains as a teen, nothing electrical on my bus scares or confuses me.

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32 minutes ago, Brill_C-37M_Bus said:

Well, model railroader numbers are declining, but hardly in crisis.  Same as any hobby, really.  I wrote for the youth section in a model train review magazine during college, so it was a topic of great interest.

 

I’m glad to hear from so many other model railroaders, especially since model trains can be a heck of a good start for future car restorers!  After installing teeny little sound computer chips in 1:160 trains as a teen, nothing electrical on my bus scares or confuses me.

 

I'm one of those model railroaders too and there are two guys in my neighborhood who are also model railroaders, and they have antique cars.  If you look above to my reply to Bernie you'll get a picture of the kind of small city/ town I live in.

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Bernie,

 

Really surprised by your seeming lack of forbearance. Is that what you really feel, or were you just having a bad day? I guess you can find what you're looking for in any group, but it sure doesn't properly characterize the people with whom I associate.

 

Bill

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17 hours ago, John348 said:

Model Trains and building model's are also two hobbies that kids do not participate in anymore 

Trains are getting expensive as are model car kits.  If someone would show young people the newer Snap-tite model kits that don’t require glue or painting and are made of stronger plastics they might find they enjoy them.  I go to a program that as much as I hate its name, adult day care, provides a place for people over 60 with physical or beginning mental issues to go during the day.  I had them buy some of these snap kits, we assembled them, and then we did an indoor car show with the completed units.  It was a blast!  Most times the guys in these programs feel left out as the women outnumber the guys and many programs cater to the majority.  The snap kits usually run in the $12 to $15 range.

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I first tried to buy an antique car when I was in my 20's. I was not able to make a deal on that car. I bought my first antique car when I was 35. I joined AACA after that purchase. The folks in my local AACA Chapter were very welcoming to me and my young family. I am still a member, almost 24 years later. Some of those same members who welcomed me are still in the club. Many others have come over the years and some have died or otherwise left the hobby. Our local Chapter is still active and still adding new members on a constant basis. We have Student Members and College age members who own their own antique cars, including some who own pre-war cars and some who own newer antique autos. Our membership welcomes new members of all ages. While we have a number of young members, the majority of our newer members are in their 50's or 60's which is probably the primary age range of new AACA members. It is usually easier for people of that age to have reached the state of life to be able to have the disposable income to afford a hobby car as well as being able to own or otherwise afford a space for storage of a hobby car. I have signed up quite a few new AACA members at our local Cars and Coffee. This type of informal car meet up is a good place to recruit new members. That type of event typically has a slightly younger demographic group so some of our members routinely attending Cars and Coffee  is helping us attract more younger members than we might find elsewhere.    

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19 minutes ago, Buffalowed Bill said:

With no active AACA within an 800 mile radius, here in the PNW, it's hard to know how things might be different.

That's the way it is here in the central highlands of Arizona, and also the way it was on the California Central Coast. 

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15 minutes ago, Pfeil said:

That's the way it is here in the central highlands of Arizona, and also the way it was on the California Central Coast. 

I always thought the west coast would have lots of AACA chapters, it’s been a surprise to find out they don’t.  

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1 hour ago, TerryB said:

I always thought the west coast would have lots of AACA chapters, it’s been a surprise to find out they don’t.  

I agree. I’d be happy to help with one as long as there’s a group of us helping and the burden isn’t on 2-3 and the rest delegate or flake. Many hands make light work. I live about an hour from Portland. 

When I have brought dad’s 57 to car shows, I encourage the young boys and girls to sit in the car for a photo op, usually with cat eye sunglasses for the gals, and possibly a scarf. I need to think of props for the boys. Ideas? The girls love the color of the car and the boys like to see the roof half up. Same with adult girls and boys. Lol

If they have an emotional connection to a car, (excitement), and a souvenir of the occasion, I think there’s a good chance they will remember that feeling and revisit it when they have the ability to own their own car.

Perhaps AACA events could find some owners who have cars they’d be willing to share for photo ops as long as proper precautions were made to protect the car and the owner was there. Could even print the photos on site and put in a paper frame with the AACA logo. 

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1 hour ago, TerryB said:

I always thought the west coast would have lots of AACA chapters, it’s been a surprise to find out they don’t.  

CALIFORNIA

Antelope Valley Region
President - John Knapp
4737 W. Avenue M-8
Quartz Hill, CA 93536-2944

Cabrillo Region
President - Luke Rizzuto
16205 Redwood Lodge Rd
Los Gatos, CA 95033

California Region
President - Paul Bittner
55 Paso Nogal Ct
Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-1700

Fallbrook Vintage Car Club Region
President - Douglas Allen
PO Box 714
Fallbrook, CA 92088

Inland Empire/Palm Springs Region
President - Bill Adams
9800 Oak Glen Rd.
Cherry Valley, CA 92223-3746

Kern County Region
President - John Bakich
10806 Enger St
Bakersfield, CA 93312-3268

Modesto Central Valley Region
President - Robert Raduechel
5701 Garst Rd
Modesto, CA 95357

Mother Lode Region
President - Rich Rinaldi
18560 Lambert Lake Rd
Sonora, CA 95370

Mount Konocti Region
President - Bob Cramer
PO Box 805
Kelseyville, CA 95451

Orange County Region
President - Ray Chips
55 Waterman
Irvine, CA 92602

Palm Springs Region
President - Frank Wenzel
1475 Lobo Way
Palm Springs, CA 92264

Rancho Tehama Yolla Bolly Region
President - James Lovell
PO Box 5817
Corning, CA 96021

Redwood Empire Region
President - Linda Bare
1855 Archer Way
Sebastopol, CA 95472

Salinas Valley Region
President - Donald Cranford
PO Box 7503
Spreckels, CA 93962-7503

San Diego Region
President - Tom McILravy
7321 Le Conte St
San Diego, CA 99114

San Luis Obispo Region
President - Phil Gammons
1344 Avalon St
San Luis Obispo CA 93405

Santa Barbara Region
President - Dana Newquist
605 Juan Crespi Ln
Santa Barbara, CA 93108

Santa Clarita Valley Region
President - Robert Caldwell
25451 Via Macarena
Valencia, CA 91355

Southern California Region
President - Robert Pritchard
532 Rossmore Ave Apt 203
Los Angeles, CA 90004

Southwestern Two-Wheelers Region
President - Harry McGill
1261 Emory St
Imperial Beach, CA 91932-3325

Valle Del Sur Region
President - Russ Carr
13400 Center Ave.
San Martin, CA 95046-9765

Valley Of The Flowers Region
President - Rodney McCarthy
505 S B St
Lompoc, CA 93436

 

California is a big state. The chapter that I was closest to had a once a year meeting to pick officers, and then had a once a month cruise to a restaurant and sometimes a point of interest like going wine tasting somewhere in the region. Never put on a local car show, never hosted a AACA event while I was a member. I got the impression 90% never worked on a car, the discussions at the monthly cruise weren't about cars for the most part and many people brought a modified car to a restaurant point of interest cruise, which confused people that were casual observers that just happened by and saw modified cars all the while members reiterated the AACA is for bone stock cars.

 Where I'm at now ( Prescott national forest area) the closest region is down in the "HOT" Phoenix area but the only chapter that host events and seems active at all is even further away in Tucson. And did I say that my area is a hotbed of old cars.

We do have a Prescott Antique automobile club;

 In 1969 a small group of local Prescott residents who were passionate about antique and classic cars decided to start their own car club.  After several meetings to hash out the details, the Prescott Antique Auto Club was chartered in 1970.  Today, approaching 50 years of continuous operation, the club is going strong with over 240 memberships, more than 400 members and over 600 cars in their garages. I would say that the club members cars are about 1/4 to 1/3rd the number of cars in our area.

And for those of you who would probably ask. YES!  I made them aware of AACA to see if they wanted to become a AACA chapter and the answer was a resounding NO.

 

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Yes, the west does cover a lot of area.  I’m in PA, always lived here but had the opportunity to often travel for work to CA.  My son moved to CA three years ago and is always sending me pics of car gatherings but rarely anything put on by AACA.  I thought it was unusual he had not been to AACA events and just assumed it was due to his interest in sports cars, especially those with a German pedigree.  Looks like lots of opportunities for AACA to get more active in that area.

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1 hour ago, victorialynn2 said:

I agree. I’d be happy to help with one as long as there’s a group of us helping and the burden isn’t on 2-3 and the rest delegate or flake. Many hands make light work. I live about an hour from Portland. 

When I have brought dad’s 57 to car shows, I encourage the young boys and girls to sit in the car for a photo op, usually with cat eye sunglasses for the gals, and possibly a scarf. I need to think of props for the boys. Ideas? The girls love the color of the car and the boys like to see the roof half up. Same with adult girls and boys. Lol

If they have an emotional connection to a car, (excitement), and a souvenir of the occasion, I think there’s a good chance they will remember that feeling and revisit it when they have the ability to own their own car.

Perhaps AACA events could find some owners who have cars they’d be willing to share for photo ops as long as proper precautions were made to protect the car and the owner was there. Could even print the photos on site and put in a paper frame with the AACA logo. 

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What a beautiful car !  Great picture !!

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Victoria, I love your car and glad that you have chosen to join with us on the forum. 

 

There seem to be a fair number of AACA forum members in the PNW, but they seem pretty far flung and it's just been near impossible to garner any real interest.

 

Terry your right California is big, but all of the West is big. Think about this, there are no active AACA chapters in the states of Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana and Utah. When you add the Canadian Provinces of British Columbia and Alberta, you probably have an area as large as all of the US, east of the Mississippi River.

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