Kitisuru

1929 Dodge Brothers in Kenya

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Hello,

 

I look after a collection of classic cars in Kenya and we have just added our oldest car so far, a 1929 Dodge Brothers. It is in reasonable condition, running and driving but of course as we improve it we will need some spares. The tyres for a start look way too small (525/550-17} what should be the correct size? I have known about that car for over 25 years so I am well pleased about finally getting it! I believe it is the only one in Kenya...

Is there a recommended person or company for getting spares?

Thank you in advance!

 

J-P

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Not 100% sure, but your belt moulding and the hood louvers within a panel looks more like this 1930 Dodge DC8. I may be wrong, but have not seen those details on a '29 model. My '29 DA has 19" wheels and tires if this is actually a '29.

 

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That looks like a DC-8, 1930 - 8 cylinders. If so, 18" wheels were standard with 5.50x18 tires.

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for a 1930 ??  should be like 20" or 19" most mopars didnt go to 18" till 1932, I don"t wanna get my wheel books out lol

cheers

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The above car in Kenya is a 1930 or a 1931 Dodge Brothers DC-8. All DC-8 cars had 550x18" wheels and tires. Someone has clearly changed the wheels on this car.

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Thank you all for your replies, I will come back with more pics and info this afternoon.

 

J-P

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Please add LOTS of pics!

Under the hood, the interior....oh heck......just everything....... 😋

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I have two DC 8's and everything I see about that car is 1930 / 1931 Dodge DC8 and it would have had 18" tires from the factory.  Even the emblem at the top front of the radiator shell is a DC8 emblem.  How many cylinders does the engine have?  I know that many exports were not the same as domestic, but don't know about exports to Africa.

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Here is an update, yes it is a DC8, the 8 on the radiator badge is a giveaway, plus the huge gap between cylinder head and the recess in the bulkhead. I attach more pics including chassis plate and its serial number. I assume the gearbox is wrong too as the bellhousing is too far forward. I would like to know the year of manufacture, what the 6 cylinder engine + gearbox is from too. Some pics of a correct DC8 engine bay would be great. Then we will be looking to return it to its original state, probably looking for a suitable donor car in the USA... The headlamps are Hellas from Germany that must be wrong too!

 

J-P

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L have just realised the engine number starting with T110-L means it comes from a Dodge Truck!

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Looks fairly complete except for the engine swap. Great looking car.

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Posted (edited)

Hello JP,

                 Based on your Body Number Plate (which is almost as good as a serial number) your car was built in Detroit at Dodge Main on Saturday March 29th or Monday March 31st of 1930. Your serial number is above the instrument cluster and directly below the windshield. Your serial number is six digits long and it can be found vertically in the FEDCO serial number medallion much like the attached image. Your number should start with a "E-11 the be followed by another number then two letters. As I said before your car would have had 18" wheels and tires and if it had wire wheels the drums would have had six lug bolts holding the wheels on. Most likely your car would have had wood wheels but there were a few DC-8 cars built with wire wheels and a rear spare. I will attach a few pictures of a 35,000 mile original car that will give you an idea of how beautiful these cars were when they were new.    

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Many thanks Dave, I agree this is a very beautiful car, and the idea of a straight 8 appeals immensely, I will check that FEDCO medallion and revert.

 

J-P

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Unfortunately my medallion is not pristine and it is a bit hard to read the serial number... My guess is E110ES but maybe if you know the sequence for that period you can confirm?

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Now regarding the wheels, the spare wheel is 18 inch with a 550-18 tyre and a PCD of 6"

 

The front drums have also 6 studs with 6" PCD and they have been fitted with crude adapters to tale the ..

17" 5 hole wheels.

At the back the drums have 5 studs with a smaller PCD and they too have been fitted with crude adapters to take the 17" 5 hole wheels.

 

This leads me to believe the car was originally fitted with 18 inch 6 hole wire wheels, with a rear mounted spare. The spare wheel carrier is somewhat crude and may have been re made. I could see no sign of the front wings ever having cut outs for spare wheel(s)

 

I also think that the whole rear axle is not original...

 

So I will have a lot to do to return the car to its correct spec!

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From what I see so far, maybe your hubs are correct for wood wheels, I am not a 1930-31 Dodge DC expert but I have provided a couple pics of size and wheel and hub chart info from my wheel book, I think from what I gather you should have wood 18" wheels unless your serial number is after that which is listed and then it would be a 1931 Dodge DC model ? some of you experts chime in, other I noted was you may know already , the rear spare tire mount is not correct either, looks like you have a great car to bring back to the period correct original.

Regards

RB

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1 hour ago, Kitisuru said:

Unfortunately my medallion is not pristine and it is a bit hard to read the serial number... My guess is E110ES but maybe if you know the sequence for that period you can confirm?

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Hello JP,

                  Your FEDCO serial number reads "E-11 (8 or 9)- ES" if you could send me or post a higher resolution image I will be able to tell you if it is a 8 or a 9.

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Hello JP.

                 Can you confirm the profile of your spare wheel with the attached image? According to your serial number your car should have the second style hub in your wheels. 

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Hi Dave

 

I will check the rim profile tomorrow. Regarding the medallion, the camera was on highest setting, but I can try with my tablet. I was hoping the date of manufacture could solve the question, not sure how the sequence runs...

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Posted (edited)

Hello JP,

                In a earlier post I stated that you car was built on March 29th or March 31st of 1930, the only way to know for sure which day it was built would be to procure a "Build Card" from The Chrysler Historical Archives". The build card will have the date of manufacture along the day it was shipped, the paint and trim code, the original motor number and the name of the town where it was shipped to. Here is a image of a DC-8 build card. Could you explain what you mean by: "I was hoping the date of manufacture could solve the question, not sure how the sequence runs". 

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Hello JP,

                 Judging from your spare wheel, front axle and drums I would say that there is no doubt that your car was a wire wheel rear spare car. This configuration is very rare anywhere on the planet for the DC-8s built in 1930. Here are a few images of the correct spare tire carrier that your car had when it was built. The US built DC-8 cars had three different wire wheels, the first two wheels had the same part number. The first style was built by Firestone and the 2nd style was built by Cleveweld (not sure of the correct spelling since many of my books are packed), the third style was built by Budd. Your are going to need four more 18" wire wheels and that is going to be rough. I'll include a picture of the second style wheel and the hubcap that was used on the first and second style wheels.  The tire carrier is made up of three castings, the two arm brackets and the center hub. The set of arm brackets in the pictures are a extra set so I could sell them if you are interested. I don't have the hub but I do have all the the measurements for the one in the pictures that would be enough for a good machinist to make one.

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I think the serial number is E119ES.

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If the rear axle has been changed, what sort of universal joints does it have? Is the hand brake still on the rear of the gear box?

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Posted (edited)

Hello Graham,

                         My first call was a 9 but then I looked at the image I have of an 8. Here is an eight, it is very difficult to tell a 8 from a 9 with out the image being clearer.

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Dave what I meant if the sequence goes E11 8ES, E11 8ET, E11 8EU, then the 4th digit 8 would be there for some time and comparison with a car of a close manufacturing date would help. But maybe there is no such sequence!

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Hello JP,

                 In my data base I have a car registered 333 cars before yours and another one 48 cars after yours. If your serial number is E-119-ES then the next serial number is E-119-EL and the next one is E-119-EE. You see the FEDCO serial numbering system for Dodge Brothers works off the code: W=0, P=1, C=2, H=3, R=4, Y=5, S=6, L=7, E=8 and D=9. This system really only applies to the last two digits. I started my 1930-31 DC-8 Registry back in 1983 and currently I have several hundred cars registered, yours and one other are the only two DC-8 sedan survivors from 1930 and 1931 that were equipped with wire wheels and the spare on the rear.

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