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Anyone know the origin of these radiator emblems?

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 I just won an auction on eBay for a set of miniature radiator emblems. They are apparently good copies of the actual emblems, though they are flat on the back and we're glued down. The seller thinks they may have been made in the 1960s , I'm just curious if anybody remembers these things being sold or what the origin of the maker is. I already had about a dozen in my collection ,  but this auction really piqued my curiosity. Based on the few emblems that I already have, I think these are probably cloissonne, for most of them. Thank you in advance

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VERY NICE!  I wonder if they were made by Harry Pulfer, he was the go to guy if you needed a reproduction emblem back in the 1960's. Bob 

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Glad you got them.  The listing started at about $1400+ and stated they were genuine antiques.  I actually emailed the seller and wondered how he knew that.  I've  collected these pins and badges for a long time and there were several here I'd not been able to find yet.  I'm very familiar with the set-that's the way they were made, as a "collection" and they are reproductions.  There is no mounting studs on the pins, they are glued to the felt backing.  I explained that originals would have had the mounting studs or pins on them, and if they had been removed for mounting, that (in my opinion and that of other collectors) would greatly detract from their value.   Additionally, the vast majority of such items were originally marked on the back by the company that made them.  L.E. Grammes, Allentown PA, Bastian Brothers, Rochester NY,  Whitehead and Hoag are some of the several different companies who produced these as salesman's lapel pins, or as give-aways at early automobile shows (advertising items).   So, they were indeed sold as miniature radiator emblems, not sure what company produced them, but individually, they are still available and show up on Ebay often.  There are occasionally such pins that show up for sale that were removed from similar display boards and sill have the felt backing glued to them. 

Anyway- the seller acknowledged he did not really know if they were genuine or not, so he amended his listing and lowered his expectations.  It's a nice wall hanger but indeed, probably not much older than the 60s. 

Terry

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Awesome info, thank you so much Terry. I knew they weren't original, but they are still antiques of antiques so to speak. I have several other of these badges or pins in my collection, and the back pins were removed as well, but still the craftsmanship in the ones I have is incredible and comprable to a full-size badge. I think the lowered price was very fair. And certainly a very rare thing to find in a grouping like this

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Yes, I thought the price was good.   I'd like to see photos of the other pins in your collection - will post a few of mine shortly.

Happy collecting.

Terry

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Yes please do post your photos. A lot of my smaller ones are in storage right now, but when I get them out I will post back on this thread

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These miniature badges were available from Harry Pulfer at price of $1.00 each...enclosed is a poor picture of his catalog and list of the makes.

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There were made before the age of computers, that makes them a bit special when you think of the size of them. Bob 

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5 hours ago, hanski said:

These miniature badges were available from Harry Pulfer at price of $1.00 each...enclosed is a poor picture of his catalog and list of the makes.

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Yup, that's it.   You could buy the whole collection or buy them individually.  The emblem display shown in the catalog is exactly the same as the display Basscaster bought.

Terry

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WOW! this is incredible. It's the same display, they must have sold collections. And it is in fact all original

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Mr Pulfer always carried his little book of Car makes with him, saw him and his book many tines at Hershey. Did get some  emblems from him occasionally.

Years ago at Hershey, rummaging thru piles of literature,  I found his little book, With his name etc and with his notes on colors and had written descriptions.

 

I had forgotten about the string he had thru the book as a loss prevention step, until I saw worn hole in it when purchasing it.

 

He was a neat little gentleman.

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I have seen these used on Motometers.

Vintique used to offer some of the brand specific motometers with these miniature badges.

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I knew his partner, Bill WilIiams, who later ran the business prior to is passing several years ago.  Great folks. 

I wouldn't go so far as to call them "original."  I guess it's how you define the term. They are simply miniatures of car emblems, recreated in the 60s (and continuing today).   While it's true that miniature emblems were originally produced in the teens, twenties and thirties for use as salesman's lapel pins, or as advertising items given away at dealerships and automobile shows, the collection you purchased are modern reproductions. 

 

It's worth noting also that some of the earlier miniatures also were made as stickpins and I have a number of those in my collection also - marked on the reverse with the makers logo. 

 

The mounted pins you purchased were never really made by or for the automobile manufacturers they represent.  They are also known as "fantasy items" or "instant collectables."  They were created as a collectible item and were intended merely as a decorative or nostalgia item for an auto enthusiast.  Many of them are still available today and have been produced in large quantities,  strictly as collectors items. Unfortunately a load of them show up on ebay being advertised as "original" or "antique."  Just because they came out of an "old collection" or an "estate" doesn't mean anything.

 

In my opinion, an "original" item would be one that actually existed in the era it represents, not a later representation of it.  

 

Just enjoy it whatever it is.  It's a nice display and I'm sure it'll look great on your wall. 

 

Here are a few photos of some of mine.  I've been collecting for a long time and try hard not to buy anything except originals, although I do occasionally have a later reproduction given to me by someone with good intention, and I keep them-it's the thought that counts!

 

Apologies for the poor photos but was moving quick to get them done with my hand-held cell phone.  I've included a couple of pics of the reverse side showing mounting methods and some of the pin manufacturers markings on them.  Enjoy.

Terry

 

 

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Fantastic pieces Terry. I have a few pins myself. When I say original, I mean in terms of being a unique collectible. Its novel because of its size. The fact that it made by Pulfer also speaks to the quality. 

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The race car pins are real, the O.S.C.A. pin was a gift from Stan Nowac, back in the 1970's. Bob 

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Those are great Bob.  Race related pins are seldom seen.  I do have a few watch fobs and medallions, and some of my favorites are the early BARC - Brooklands Automobile Racing Club pins.  They came in boxed sets including a members badge and two guest pins.  British of course, but a very historic race track.

Terry

 

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The original little emblems are fun to see, and so long as you realize what the difference is between those and the Pulfer pins I think his are good to see too.

 

Here are the original ones that I have collected over the years, there’s more that aren’t on my display because of space. I also have several watch fobs that are miniature emblems too...

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Very nice. I like that Pulfer Rambler script up there. Haven't seen many of those. I think these kind of miniature emblems and fobs are a very nice addition, and worthy of any serious collection. Especially when they are 50 years or older, which most are. In most cases they were crafted in ways that have been lost to today's processes for similar items.

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I have a duplicate original Rambler script if you are interested.  Send me a PM and let me know.

Terry

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13 hours ago, basscaster said:

Very nice. I like that Pulfer Rambler script up there. Haven't seen many of those.

 

Maybe you haven’t seen any because it’s not a Pulfer made item... not one of those are

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It sure looks like the style of those scripts on the catalog page provided above by hanski. Any idea of the maker?

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I think it’s a Bastion Brothers item, but it’s definitely marked. If you want me to, I’ll take it off and confirm that maker. There are some unmarked original pins around, but they are still able to get identified by their quality and style of mount. Rule of thumb: if it ain’t marked be VERY CAUTIOUS when buying!!!!!!!

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Terry or Bob, (or anyone)

 

 Have either of you ever located a Studebaker emblem from the late 1920s buses ? I've seen poor photos in literature, but have never seen a good photo of one. Would either of you gents have one you can share a photo of?

 

Thanks,

Dave

 

Edit: Fox is another company who made the Dodge Brothers emblems for late 20s early 30s trucks if anyone is curious..

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