Ed Luddy

What does everyone think is high mileage these days?

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Now in the era of 6 digit electronic odometers and CarFax reports what do most people consider high mileage? I never look at the odometers on any old car I buy as they are too easy to alter and most likely have been around the dial once or twice. Rarely I come across a car like my 1973 Imperial with one family ownership, lots of records and 71,000 miles on the clock that you just know by looking that it's never been over. But on late model cars I see plenty of them up here in Canada with over 300,000 kilometers. Still running good and interiors that aren't worn out.

 I just got a 2007 M-Benz E 350 with 234,000 kilometers on it and it looks deceivingly fresh!  Slight wear on the driver seat bolster, but that's it. Even some base model domestic and off shore brands seem to hold up well with decent maintainence.

What's the popular opinion here?

 

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A lot of cars I see for sale are in the 150- 200k miles use range. Incredible!  At one time I avoided cars with over 80k miles as daily drivers.  Today they are just hitting their prime.

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1 minute ago, TerryB said:

A lot of cars I see for sale are in the 150- 200k miles use range. Incredible!  At one time I avoided cars with over 80k miles as daily drivers.  Today they are just hitting their prime.

 

100% correct. Every small block Chevy I took apart at around 60-80K needed an overbore to +30. The lubricants are much better, and fuel injection seems to be dependable and now the cylinder walls are not getting washed with gasoline when the engine was choking 

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Once upon a time when I was young....when you went to the wrecking yard the place looked full of cars, hoods were up or off, trunk lids up but they appeared like you could almost drive them away. Engines, transmissions, front and rear ends were gone!

Today the place is a sea of chassis that can actually be driven, all the sheet metal, trim, interiors and exteriors are gone. The chassis get scrapped after 60 days due to lack of demand.

Just the opposite of what it was, now the chassis last longer than the average interval between accidents!

Am expecting it to switch back when self-driving cars take over!

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just bought a 2013 ford 150  with 110k miles- looks like new.

 

would have never considered that a few yrs back- but new trucks are  house mortgages!

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3 minutes ago, mercer09 said:

just bought a 2013 ford 150  with 110k miles- looks like new.

 

would have never considered that a few yrs back- but new trucks are  house mortgages!

Yes truck prices are more than my 1st 2 houses. I watched a video clip a few days ago of a Honda Civic turning over 700,000.

 The Lincoln Town Car up to 2011 is a favorite hi miler. I see them advertised with 1 million kilometers, still running.

 

 

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Do think that improved lubes and coolants plus better metallurgy is a big part. Have had several cars with 120-130k miles, project car has 120k & drivetrain is great. Have three with 60k miles that will probably outlast me.

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Who here has a daily driver approaching the 300K mark? I have 2007 GMC Yukon with 315,000 klms. Still runs good, some rust though. 

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i would be concerned about any car unless I knew it's history with over 250,000 miles on it. I have seen many with that mileage and more still running well and not looking too bad.

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1 minute ago, Ed Luddy said:

Who here has a daily driver approaching the 300K mark? I have 2007 GMC Yukon with 315,000 klms. Still runs good, some rust though. 

My 2001 Astro has 193,000 miles and runs fine, passes emissions and doesn't look too bad considering I really don't keep it like I used to.

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46 minutes ago, Ed Luddy said:

Who here has a daily driver approaching the 300K mark? I have 2007 GMC Yukon with 315,000 klms. Still runs good, some rust though. 

 

I have two Reattas that have that kind of mileage. One with 314,000 the other with 292,000. I drive one or the other every day.

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It would be interesting to see how an old flathead six from the forties or fifties would stand up if it were rebuilt with modern pistons, rings valves  and bearings and fuel injection and run on synthetic oil.

 

 

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Probably very well, as long as they are hooked up to an overdrive transmission.

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8 hours ago, DAVES89 said:

 

I have two Reattas that have that kind of mileage. One with 314,000 the other with 292,000. I drive one or the other every day.

 

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I was in a cab the other day that had something like 600,000km on the clock, was definitely not exactly in the best shape...

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We have good long time friends that have an '04 Lexus sport ute (can't recall the model) that has 389,000 km's on it so far most of which they put on themselves.

Other than the usual wear out parts like tires, exhaust pipe, brakes, general maintenance etc. it looks great outside and the interior is more than respectable with no wear marks, loose stitching or signs of fatigue.

While I have been mostly a traditionalist "buy North American" kind of guy all my life, this vehicle exemplifies the quality of build and materials we can get today (even if it was built 15 years ago).

I agree that a record of maintenance would be my first concern looking at a high mileage vehicle but listening to an engine and driving it (like any used car) and price would make me not hesitate on purchasing one depending what conditions I'd be putting it to use. Daily use back and forth to work in our small city would not scare me based on high mileage. Taking an extended trip on the other hand (I like to travel by car) I would have to get to know things are up to dependable standards first and that takes km's/miles to know that.

 

Long winded here but guess I'm saying things seem to have changed enough for me to rethink I have to be scared of high mileage.

Meantime, 

I keep my eyes open and when I see something that has low mileage on it like our '09 Van, I will pay a bit more than the average knowing it will serve us for as long as I can get the wife to wash it up and take it in for oil changes.🤣

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We bought it three years ago with 48,000 km's and today it has only 66,000 on it.

Time will tell being a domestic....

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The accepted replacement cycle for cars fifty years ago was 6-8 years, around 90K-100K miles.   Manufacturers planned their production on sales for that rate.   A whole set of changes have occurred since then to lengthen the replacement cycle.  Electronic engine management and fuel injection, improved metallurgy and manufacturing techniques,  better lubricants, overdrive automatic transmissions.   For the bodies, more affective sealers and mastics, metal protection coatings and paints, reduced weld seams for rust to start, lighter weight materials.    Vehicles run more in their optimum operating range, resist the negative affects of the environment better than ever.  200K-300K is now realistic, the average age of all vehicles on the road is twelve years.  It wouldn't be if all these things hadn't occurred. 

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I have a 2001 VW Golf, I got a new used one for a daily driver, and passed the old VW on to my daughter.  260K miles and she forgets to check the oil, original muffler, just a well (not great) maintained driver, the AC still works.  In MN we are used to the salt eating them to rust.  Yes the computers in the last few years are a huge change, they will shut the car down if there is a problem "limp mode" they will even correct the timing, fuel mixture and anything else they can do to get them to run better.  I find good ones are awesome, but bad ones are horrible.  I imagine soon bad wiring will scrap more cars than bad engines...they are all ready talking about components just talking to each other (no wiring)…. 

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My 2007 Lexus LS 460 with 204,000 miles on it still looks near-new inside and outside. No rattles. Just recently started burning a quart of oil about every 2,000 miles. Very little trouble in 12 years of ownership.  

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Had 317K on a 240 Volvo when it was totaled in a T Bone accident.  Climbed out, cussed the kid that hit me, and drove it home when the cops were done their business.     Went a little sideways.  I thought about fixing it, but just couldn't justify trying. 

 

At the moment, my 93 F150 is approaching 200K and going strong.  

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13 hours ago, Ed Luddy said:

Who here has a daily driver approaching the 300K mark? I have 2007 GMC Yukon with 315,000 klms. Still runs good, some rust though. 

We have a 2004 Yukon SLT with 166,000 miles, always garage kept, still feels like a new car.  We plan on driving it to 300,000 miles/  It tows a

car trailer and has 6 leather bucket seats, best value vehicle I ever bought used. (10 years ago with 90K)

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12 hours ago, DAVES89 said:

 

I have two Reattas that have that kind of mileage. One with 314,000 the other with 292,000. I drive one or the other every day.

 

 I should add the 314,000 mile Reatta is on the second engine 3rd tranny.

 The 292,000 Reatta [the Red] is on the second engine, 3rd tranny and oh yeah repaint, replaced dash, seats, carpet, headliner, steering wheel, wheels, interior door panels, floor mats, but ither then that mostly original...

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I ran my 6 cylinder 1979 F150 270000 miles. Then I bought a '99 Ram Diesel which I drove 290000 miles. I only parked it because I had knee replacement surgery and could no longer operate the clutch. I now drive a 2004 Ram Diesel. It's just broken in with 180000 miles.

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No doubt any newer vehicle can accumulate a lot more total miles due to engineering improvement but one of the most important factors is maintenance, especially on an older car. My 63 Starfire shows 88,000 miles but just about everything mechanical has required rebuild or replacement. My 66 Monaco has 123,000 but the drive train appears to be original and runs very well - more oil changes? Pure luck?

Of course wear from hard use can always be a factor too. My Starfire has a 3.42 rear axle ratio and revs pretty high on the freeway while my Monaco has a 2.76 rear and loafs at 70.....

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The three greatest inventions of the 20th century were overdrive, fuel injection without a mechanical choke, and single sheet printer paper. Two of those helped automotive longevity.

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