Foreman715 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Got her home today she's #7333 so it must be a 09. Looked inside engine and it looks real good. It's missing some minor parts on the car but I'm wornerding if it ever ran as the hole for the crank is not cut out so you cant start it. Also there is no tap in the cyl. for the oil line. With this deep oil pan does it have a oil pump? Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Albright Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Probably a reproduction grill would explain no crank hole. Nice car! Get with the gentleman who owns the two early gray Metz cars to figure out the oil line issue and what is missing. George Albright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Here is another 1909 Metz in Manitoba: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?54107-Orphan-of-the-Day-08-30-1909-Metz Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchyoke Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Dear Gary, First, I am a female who has been working on antique vehicles since I was 15 years old. I own two 1909 Metz's vehicles (photos in previous thread) since 1988. I also own a 1903 Orient buckboard. I believe I may be quite familiar with your particular vehicle. I am not certain as I cannot read the serial number on the engine in the photos I have (but may have it written down somewhere). I believe this vehicle was previously in the hands of Harry Campbell from Blairsville, Pa. He did in fact remanufacture the grill along with many other sheet metal parts, etc. The work was never completed nor minor errors corrected. Thus, the lack of crank hole opening. The support bracket for the crank handle is the yoke behind the grill shield. As for the serial number ranges there are MANY inconsistencies and holes in the sequence. Therefore, these vehicles are dated by specific features and NOT by the engine number. I believe your vehicle is a late 1911 and a factory produced car not a plan car. More and clearer photos would help. It appears in your photo to have a round gas tank behind the seat, which should be oval, mounted on a slant. With the square deep oil slump, you should have an oil pump. I would turn the engine over by hand or with a drill motor(some orchestration involved) to be certain it works BEFORE attempting a start. I would also verify the breather on the engine cover works and is not just a plug cap. I regards to a carburetor, I do not believe you will have success with a model T carburetor, as the throat is much too large for a two cylinder engine. You should have a schebler much like the ones used on an early motorcycle. Perhaps a more modern tillotsen from a small Hercules or marine engine would be a better chose. One from a single cylinder engine may also have too small a throat. You will also need to have a means to advance and retard the magneto, as all of the linkage is missing. Haste before proper verification of function can lead to damage, expense and bodily harm. I hope I have been of some help to you and I wish you good luck with your "new" car. Have fun. DIANE 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Albright Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Diane is a an orient and early Metz expert! George Albright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreman715 Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 I have the gas tank a small round one that goes under the hood. Could someone post pictures of the mag advance bracket and linkage. Also the throttle linkage mine are missing. Diane my car is #7333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchyoke Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Much better photos Gary. Vehicle is still a 1911, as I answered previously, because of the deep sump with oil pump. Earlier engines were splash oil system and shallow crankcase. I will be happy to help answer your questions and send you photos, but I will do so through pm not in the forum. Glad you have the round gas tank for under hood, sorry I thought I saw it in the previous blurry photo behind the seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Pruett Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Congratulations, looks good. I just brought my 1910 home yesterday! How did you check your engine number against date? I'd really like to check mine, it's either 1161 or 1911 depending on which side you are looking from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Pruett Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 I've been wondering about mine as well since there is no oiler nor any holes in the cylinders for oil. That's really strange about no crank! Is that a choke to the left of the radiator, mine does not have one. Do you know how to check the oil level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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