John_Mc

Chicago car guy moving to Central FL?

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I have an HMO where I am in Ocala, only $75 a year your allowed to have buildings and such on the property, but they want everything looking nice, nothing wrong with that

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When I moved to Orlando, wife's prime requirements were sidewalks and good schools. Wound up having a home built offset on a big lot to make room. When interest rates dropped from 12+% to 7% had the back garage I'd planned all along built. HOA had no problem since I had designed for minimum street visibility and got their approval first. House being raised above street and having a "native Florida" back yard helped. Much later turned a "Florida room" at the back of the house into space for another car (had planned the room that way when was built). Then when had the ravel trailer had a 10x25" pad laid down in back in "grotto" all with proper permits and approvals.

 

Live about a sober crow mile west of Universal Studios (was here first). Point is that everything was designed for minimum street and neighbor visibility so have never had an issue. It can be done.

 

Major recommendation: live far from I-4  and avoid if at all possible. Clermont is a really nice & convenient town that has most amenities & just a few miles west of O'town on the turnpike in the hill country and once the 429 bypass is complete there will be more alternatives.

 

"The Clermont area lies on the northern part of the Lake Wales Ridge. There are rolling hills atypical of the Florida peninsula" - I am very tempted to move there if I found the right property but moving would be difficult since what I have here would be hard to duplicate.

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8 hours ago, John_Mc said:

HA, yes isn't living in the Land of Lincoln wonderful????  We can't wait to get the hell out of here.  Cook County has destroyed this state.

I am extremely envious!!!!!

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I did a different approach on a recent build in the Boca Raton area. Checked many properties then built on chosen one. I am not sure what to do with the shop and cars up in Maryland. I am hoping to eventually find something somewhat inland away from the coastal housing bubble.  I have decided to sell one of the 409 cars.  

A close region isn’t a priority for me just leaving Maryland is.

Robert

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BTW I grew up on the east coast. Within five miles of the coast salt in the air caused a lot of upper body rust. Part of reason I chose the middle of the state to live.

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33 minutes ago, padgett said:

BTW I grew up on the east coast. Within five miles of the coast salt in the air caused a lot of upper body rust. Part of reason I chose the middle of the state to live.

 

Yes same up here in coastal Maryland  also was rough on early “computer” controlled cars of the 70’s

robert

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Trust me, if it is 100 miles south central of Orlando you'll be forever unhappy with the choice if you like old, mostly original cars.  This is the absolute end of the world.  If you want a 2000+ house with a six car garage and a carport, I'd be happy to sell you mine.  This place (Sebring) was the worst choice of my life (if you like old cars in stead of golf or TV.).  Nobody else around here agrees with me, but nobody else has three pre-war cars, one modern antique, two modern cars, a Suburban to haul with and a closed trailer (they are all on my property which is 85x185).  I added on to this house in 2007 because there was no place to buy with the garages.  There was an semi-inactive AACA Region here then, but its since died.  All we have now is cruise-ins full of modifieds....I don't normally go.  There is a WalMart, Lowes, Home Depot nearby, plenty of stores.  Have never found a GP I liked in 18 years, but an array of good specialists and a big hospital.  We are 100 miles from Vero Beach and 80 miles from Sarasota (where there is a first class restoration shop).  Zero activity for an old car lover closer than The Villages or Miami or Melbourne. I've been trying to figure out how to move back to Virginia for years.  Two houses is too expensive.....tried that twice.  If you ever come down US-27 south of I-4 watch out for six photo traffic lights in Haynes City ($162 a pop so don't ever follow a semi-truck).  Here is what is good about Florida.....no state income tax.  Here's how they make it up....very high auto and home insurance by comparison to Virginia, lots of rain in the summer.  There is a great AACA Region in Lake City, way up north Florida, but they always depends on one or two people's strength.  Why haven't I sold out?  Too much stuff, too old to move it and put it back up in another house.  Write me and I'll tell you all you want to know about 100 miles south of Orlando in central Florida.  Would I sell out?  Yeah, if approached.  I'd find some way to do it.  Allied will do everything but take the pictures off the wall....$14,000 to Lake City/Live Oak, FL; $18,500 to Montross, VA.

 

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22 hours ago, Paul Dobbin said:

Earl moved to Sebring FL where swamps and solitude are the big attractions.   There are big active AACA Regions in Sarasota, Tampa,

  Lakeland, Orlando, Dade City and Pinellas County's non- AACA PinMAR, all close enough for Earl to get to functions and closer than Ocala.

  Florida's west coast is full of antique car guys from Naples to Tallahassee.  Yes there are plenty of Streetrods, but many if us have both.

  I have one Resto-Mod and 5 Antique cars and have belonged to the Pin-MAR Club in St. Pete,/Clearwater for 47 years. .  

C'mon Paul Dobbin, you don't know what you're talking about.  The only swamp anywhere around here is the Highland's County State Park.  There are loads of beautiful Lakes where retirees love to go fishing, and beautiful golf courses for those so inclined.  Just nothing that I like to do like country dance.  There is a big modern hospital, but not with all abilities.  For a heart valve replacement next week, I have to go to Orlando.  The AACA Region in Lakeland is defunct.  Those other Regions are too far away and I've never heard of a couple.  Ever try to drive cross country on a two land road with tractor trailers on your tail in a pre-WWII car?  Melbourne is active, but US-60 is two lane across the swamps with island passing lanes here and there and no shoulders.  The Region in Ocala (actually Leesburg) is 85 miles away straight up congested US-27.  I think the one sponsoring the show is actually closer to Gainesville.  US-27 is totally built up and congested now between I-4 and Clermont.  Miami is one of the best AACA Clubs in the state, but its 155 south and actually the easiest one to get to (I'm a member if we could both ever get well enough to attend stuff).  Sarasota is easy to get to but I don't hear anything they do.  The club in Tampa is active but also too hard to get to over truck-packed two lane roads.  All roads east and west are that way.  You moved out of Florida for some reason.  Home insurance on both coasts have gotten unaffordable, so that leaves Ocala, Leesburg and Sebring.

If I could, I'd go back to the Virginia Northern Neck where I ran the first ever Sentimental Tour in 2001, and you were there.  That was the happiest I've ever been.  I was also happy as a kid in Arlington, VA. Man, has that place changed.  I worked and lived in Maryland for 31 years.  At least there was a great AACA Region in Baltimore.  That's about all I can say about Maryland, but thee were at least things to do.  Sebring would be fined and okay if I wasn't into antique cars and was satisfied to be retired and sit around the house.  I don''t do fishing (anymore) or golf (never).

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I resemble that remark. Sebring does get exciting in March (used to be a member of the ARCF). Personally chose Orlando back in the 80s because is a major crossroads (I-4 and the Turnpike) and need to be 20 minutes from a world class airport. Don't now.

 

Besides Florida is not that hot, 100F is a rare occasion, it is the humidity that wilts Yankees. True, this time of the year most of my garage work is done between 10pm and 4 am & being able to open up both ends of the back garage with big fans really helps. Also have A Lot of lights.

 

Frankly I have always preferred to live in or near a resort. For someone moving here today, I would highly recommend Clermont (have no property there, wish I did). In the day it is usually about 5 degrees cooler than O'town. No swamps. Any more if have a desire for the beach, St. Armand's circle is a shopper's paradise but I prefer Cedar Key - is as I remember Key West. Also within an hour's drive you have Daytona and Gainesville (GatorNationals). Sebring is two hours south. Also several big U-Pick-It yards to just wander.

 

Point I am making is that the Orlando area is really the crossroads of Florida. While it is useful to understand Spanish, it is far enough north that you do not have to. Rarely freezes so instead of December, January, February our winter is 1/2 June, July, August, 1/2 September (utility bills go up and you do not go outside unless you must). The only perfect weather I know of is Santa Monica and too many people have discovered that.

 

I do not like places that are "thickly settled" and prefer all of the uninhabited miles of Florida. Between Orlando metro and Ft. Pierce is over 100 miles. The turnpike (only road) has two plazas and one exit (Yehaw Junction).

 

One final note: the state capital is in Tallahassee. We keep the politicians as far from anything useful as possible.

 

ps for those who think nothing car related happens in summer, see here and here.

 

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Nobody has mentioned the real reasons not to live in Florida, HURRICANES and INSURANCE.  Before you buy check the hurricane activity in your area for the last 50 years and know that  you will probably be hit in the next 20.  We lived in the Panhandle from 2000 to 2008 and evacuated five times and stayed for three more Cat 2 hurricanes. After we left there wasn't any activity for 10 years and then along came Michael in 2018.   USAA and other major companies wouldn't even talk to us.  All of our policies were backed by a "state pool" with a extremely high deductible and we had to have three policies, general liability, wind and water.   When we had roof damage the adjuster came out and counted the damaged shingles and would only pay for the damaged ones which did not meet our deductible.  We paid 100% for a new metal roof.  Google Mexico Beach Florida to see what CAN happen  Google NAOO Historical Hurricane Tracking to see the history in the area you are looking at.  Fortunately I sold my warehouse in Panama City eight months before it was destroyed by Michael.  There are other no- tax states other than Florida.  In all of them except Florida you will be safe as long as you live 100 miles from the coast.  Having lived in Texas since 2008 there is car activity all over the place.  I wouldn't move back to Florida if someone gave me the property.  Sorry to all my Florida friends but these are things any car person should consider and then make their own decision.  When we were moving to Florida no one mentioned Hurricanes.  

 

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'Nother reason I live far from the coast. Have been through a lot of hurricanes since family moved to south Florida in 1957. In 35 years owning a home in Orlando I've lost two shingles following a major storm (found in yard, nailed back on...). Being protected by towering native vegetation also cuts wind speed waaaay down. OTOH the media loves hype and often ignores just how big Florida is (almost 900 road miles end to end and has two time zones.

 

BTW I have this nut theory that all of the millions of people who have moved to Florida (metro Orlando has tripled since I've been here) with AC in homes and vehicles have created an artificial high pressure area over the state. With a few aberrations, storms go up one coast or the other and hit the mainland square in the northwest (e.g. panhandle, Mississippi, Louisiana) or northeast (Carolinas, Virginia) and major damage is to the coastal areas, by the time they get 50 miles inland they have dissipated a lot. Only had two that affected me and both were after the storm passed: Michael (lost power. When I was growing up most had generators and so do I) and Irma (my phone & I'net provider went down for two weeks, have since changed providers. Was good my cell phone is with someone else.) 

 

OTOH we do not have earthquakes (hard to shake sand) or F5 tornados (do have a lot of waterspouts but mainly offshore), or floods (sand again), and ACs work best with humid air. Have seen it snow twice (1957 and 1986) but did not stick.

 

But then  please stay away unless visiting as a tourist with disposable income. We have enough residents (see "avoid I-4"). Go to Texas instead, particularly Galveston or Amarillo.

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Did you look at NorthPort Fla. My daughter and family live in N.P.Estates. 3 acres, no HOA, do what you want there. 

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North Port is close to Sarasota which is a great place if you want to go to the Beach or shop at St. Armand's. About 120 miles from Orlando.

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On 6/23/2019 at 10:59 AM, John_Mc said:

Guys, my wife are looking to move within about 100 miles of Orlando.  Besides typical agents and Hemming's, anyone have a way to find what we are looking for??  A 3 bedroom ranch with either a greatly enlarged garage or availability for an outbuilding?  Also, we don't want to be stuck in the middle of nowhere.  Seems there a thousands of homes in sub-divisions that all have the same footprint.  I'll need room/shop for about 4-5 toy cars.  Any help would be appreciated. 

 

Hey John,

Have you and the wife been to central Florida this time of year? It is pretty hot and sticky! While there are many 90 degree plus days in the north, the difference is it is 93 degrees and 90% humidity at 6:30 AM, but you don't have to shovel heat, and don't slip on it either! but it is HOT! 

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I've read all the input on this, and to say the least it has given me a lot to think about.  Now, not sure where to look, but one thing for sure - we are leaving this state.  Those of you who don't live here do not know how miserable it is here.  HORRIBLE winters, Afghanistan-like roads, highest taxes in the country, highest gas prices in the country, world-class crooked politicians, endless toll roads everywhere, gridlock highways due to backward infrastructure.  And to top it all off, the genius voters (Cook County) just elected a billionaire governor who just added $.20 to our already high gas tax and added 50% to all auto yearly registrations.  And he's just getting started.  People are leaving this Land of Lincoln's dump EVERYDAY in record numbers!  Outside of these points, its a great place to live. 

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14 minutes ago, John348 said:

Have you and the wife been to central Florida this time of year? It is pretty hot and sticky!

While there are many 90 degree plus days in the north, the difference is it is 93 degrees and 90% humidity at 6:30 AM...

 

A friend of mine lives in Putnam County, Florida,

which is well inland and not too far from Daytona Beach

and Saint Augustine.  Inland, you get away from the

high-density, high-growth and bustle of the coasts.

It feels more like old-time, small-town Florida there.

I like that aspect.

 

However, he says that inland, you also get away from

the ocean breezes.  Go outside in the summer, as John

hints at above, and you are immediately covered in

perspiration!

 

One disadvantage I see with living there:  In the summer,

when the longest days encourage a person to spend

days and evenings outside, it's too hot to be enjoying those

long days.  In the other seasons, when the temperatures

are more pleasant, it gets dark early.

 

Northern summers, in contrast, have the same long days,

and it's great to be doing activities outside at 9 p.m. when

you still have daylight and a perfect 65 or 75 degrees.  Then,

linger relaxingly on the patio furniture and watch the sun set!

 

 

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10 minutes ago, John_Mc said:

...Now, not sure where to look, but one thing for sure - we are leaving this state.  Those of you who don't live here do not know how miserable it is here.  

People are leaving this Land of Lincoln's dump EVERYDAY in record numbers!  

 

John, how about southern Indiana?

It's not terribly far away from where you are

already, and the southern part of the state has

woods and rolling hills.  I hear it's fiscally responsible

in Indiana.  You could go to a university town  

such as West Lafayette, where there's plenty of

culture but none of the disadvantages of big cities;

but I say southern to get you less winter, which

you say you don't prefer.

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2 hours ago, John348 said:

 

Hey John,

Have you and the wife been to central Florida this time of year? It is pretty hot and sticky! While there are many 90 degree plus days in the north, the difference is it is 93 degrees and 90% humidity at 6:30 AM, but you don't have to shovel heat, and don't slip on it either! but it is HOT! 

You described where I live in Sebring.  Six car garage and a carport.  Three bedrooms, two baths, jacuzzi tub, split plan (three ways), office, large living room, large family room and a dining room too.  Sebring is not in the middle of nowhere, and there are no swampy areas here except the State Park which is consolidated in one spot and a tourist attraction.  Hose has two A/C units and a full house generator.  If you can bear modified cars, you can enjoy old cars.  Just virtually no pre-sixties cars around here except modified 55 Chevies.  Real Estate is relatively cheap here too and I know one old car guy from Chicago.  I would like to find a place in Lake City, but it's almost impossible to find a decent garage up there using real estate ads.  They don't even know what a large garage is.  I would rather stay here than to go through building a house again.

Earl

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2 hours ago, John_Mc said:

I've read all the input on this, and to say the least it has given me a lot to think about.  Now, not sure where to look, but one thing for sure - we are leaving this state.  Those of you who don't live here do not know how miserable it is here.  HORRIBLE winters, Afghanistan-like roads, highest taxes in the country, highest gas prices in the country, world-class crooked politicians, endless toll roads everywhere, gridlock highways due to backward infrastructure.  And to top it all off, the genius voters (Cook County) just elected a billionaire governor who just added $.20 to our already high gas tax and added 50% to all auto yearly registrations.  And he's just getting started.  People are leaving this Land of Lincoln's dump EVERYDAY in record numbers!  Outside of these points, its a great place to live. 

There is only one non-ethanol gas station in Sebring (Highlands Co) and it is 8 miles from my house as well as the Walmart, Home Depot and Lowes.  There is a good mechanic here who works on old cars.  We are exactly 100 miles from Orlando.  I should know because I have to go up there to the main Advent hospital on Monday to have a heart valve replaced.  Come on down.  If you don't buy my house, then my Buicks will look great beside your pre-War Lincoln Zephyr.  By the way, the traffic in Orlando is as bad or worse than Chicago or New York.  I dread even driving through on I-4 after 4:30 AM.

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3 hours ago, John_Mc said:

I've read all the input on this, and to say the least it has given me a lot to think about.  Now, not sure where to look, but one thing for sure - we are leaving this state.  Those of you who don't live here do not know how miserable it is here.  HORRIBLE winters, Afghanistan-like roads, highest taxes in the country, highest gas prices in the country, world-class crooked politicians, endless toll roads everywhere, gridlock highways due to backward infrastructure.  And to top it all off, the genius voters (Cook County) just elected a billionaire governor who just added $.20 to our already high gas tax and added 50% to all auto yearly registrations.  And he's just getting started.  People are leaving this Land of Lincoln's dump EVERYDAY in record numbers!  Outside of these points, its a great place to live. 

 

 

Same  story in Massachusetts........state is bankrupt, but the gravy train for the clueless and state workers go on and on. I never thought I would move.........I have been in southern Florida for two years......time is flying.......carful choice of where one lives means nice driving roads, and lots of other opportunities. I wouldn’t go that far north........it’s too cold in the winter, Port St Lucie or further south on the east side is a safe bet. Much less expensive in northern central part of the state. Most important, be sure you live no more than 15 miles from a MAJOR airport. Th best thing about travel when living in the state is LOTS of cheap flight everywhere. I leave in the morning for a trip to New Jersey for the day, and will be back home to sleep in my own bed, for less than 200 dollars round trip. Round trip from my local airport to Paris is currently less than 400 most of the year. 

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Hi Earl. Just a few words of encouragement for you. My life has been saved by contemporary modern medicine quite a number of times. This goes back to the first time in 1946. Through major neurosurgery over 30 years ago, which not only saved my life, but ended 13 years of ever increasing, and finally unendurable pain. Two recent heart attacks involving 4 vacations in cardiac ICU. Right now, at this very moment, I feel vastly better than at any time since early November when I had coughing up blood pneumonia. Next was the most vicious cold I have ever suffered through. Add 5 falls this year, and you can easily see the sublime joy I am experiencing to have recovered to this point. I am so happy to feel relatively healthy, and rather pain free. I am not quite as old as you are, but my doctors say by the condition of most systems I am more like an 85-90 year old. Hey ! 90 years old feeling as great as I do today is absolutely FANTASTIC , man !  AND, even with a left shoulder bone on bone, and a bit of a nasty hernia, I can STILL drive my ancient Cadillacs !!!

 

While apprehension over major surgery is certainly a normal reaction, these cardiologists really know what they are doing. You will be OK, Earl. You tell those doctors Cadillac Carl promised you'll be just fine, and they are not allowed to make a liar out of me. And when you are fully recovered, you will feel better than you have for a while. Literally a new lease on life. And you will be glad you still have your '39 Buick !! Thanks for all you have done for the hobby, and our beloved AACA  !!!!!!

 

Looking forward to a great big smile and a thumbs up from you when you are "On the road again.".   Your forum friend,   -  Cadillac Carl 

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At least in Florida an honest politician stays bought. Kidding aside, Florida retirees are such a large group (and have time to lobby) that they influence the politicians and is really "senior friendly", particularly if you stay west of I-4 and west of the 429 bypass is even better. I go to a show nearly every Saturdays and usually take a different car, Weekends the traffic is "less horrible" but I stay mainly west of I-4 & have two super Walmarts, two Sams Clubs, and restaurant row within 5 miles.

 

Finally there are a surprising number of homes on a bit of acreage with outbuildings (30x40 is common) within 10 miles of a Florida's Turnpike exit.

 

Back when I drove to work it was usually 74-75F at 7am  23 miles across town took 40 minutes ( hour later it took twice that long) and right now at 9pm it is a comfortable 80F with 62% humidity (afternoon rain cooled things off). Few mention that ACs are more efficient in high (dense) humidity and that is why the daily temperature swing is only about 20F

 

Thing I have seen over and over though is people move here, usually from up north, last about 2 years, then half go back home. Two years later they decide it wasn't so bad and move back for good.

 

Here you go:

$354,792

3 bd2 ba1,689 sqft

5645 S Fork Ranch Dr, Clermont, FL 34714

Might mention 40 acres with barn and outbuildings.

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10 hours ago, padgett said:

I resemble that remark. Sebring does get exciting in March (used to be a member of the ARCF).

Oh, now I get it!  I've been here 18 March's since 2001 and have never been to a race.  Racing doesn't really turn me on like most of what they do here in Sebring.  😀

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1 hour ago, padgett said:

Here you go:

$354,792

3 bd2 ba1,689 sqft

5645 S Fork Ranch Dr, Clermont, FL 34714

Might mention 40 acres with barn and outbuildings.

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THREE HUNDRED FIFTY FOUR THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED NINETY TWO DOLLARS!!!  EVEN UP IN VIRGINIA IT A PLACE WAS A LOT LESS THAN THAT AND HERE IN SEBRING ITS A LOT LESS THAN EITHER PLACE.  I AIN'T THAT RICH.

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