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1922 Huppmobile wood spoke wheels...need help

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My friend picked up a '22 Huppmobile open car mostly as a basket case.  My son volunteered to remove the rust from the wheels. The wheels are apart withe the exception that the spokes are still in the rim. Our problem is that while there are rims with spokes, there are also other rims that are split and somehow seem to be part of the assembly. Where these larger rims come together, there is what appears to be an alignment key riveted on to each side of the mating split. Threre appears that some sore of fastening logs may be misplaced as I have no idea how the larger outer rim part mates to the smaller rim that supports the spokes,

. I'm wondering if someone has a view of the individual parts of the wheel assembly that they can share? I don't doubt that the parts are there but we would like to make one search for all the wheel parts. My son has agreed to derust the steel parts and refinish the spokes, which appear to be in decent shape. We will not be mounting the tires. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please respond on this thread and not pm as my email has changed, though can be provided on request

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If  you  post some  pic  of  what  you  have, that  will  help.

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Okay,  got some pics...one image shows the studs sticking out of what I surmise is the inner part of the rim. I'm guessing that some kind of lug attaches there to link the outer split rim? The butting ends in one pic shows the alignment key off kilter and I will at the very least have to mare-rivet but more than likely will have to make new pieces after removing the rust. So anyway,  does anyone know what parts are missing and how do these go together?   20190528_103159.thumb.jpg.4f0bc13debc8dbbb027e5021b9069178.jpg

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FYI the metal band on the outer end of the spokes is called a FELLOE.

I am attaching a page of some of the "Wedges" that were used.  I have no idea what brand of wheels and rims Huppmobile used.

Good luck with your project.

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Great and thank you. I'm guessing that the wedges may be used with the six studs on the inner portion of the wheel. I'll put my  friend on the hunt for the hardware. Honestly,  I've never messed with wood spoke wheels but my friend is pushing 80 and can use a little of my help. He also needs the "grab bar" on the back of the front seat...again, this car is a '22 open car.

Thanks 

 

 

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So, it turns out that he doesn't have the correct wedges in the spare parts. Still, we are making progress with the help we've gotten so far. Any other tips are appreciated. 

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KrazyKat, 

I have 1923 Model R touring with wood spoke wheels. I'll try to remove a bolt and wedge and photo them for you. Unfortunately, I do not have any spares even for my own car. 

 

Let me know if you need other photos, etc, as I am about to mount new tires on my car. -----Jim

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Jim,

 

You are the best. Please let me know the wheel manufacturer if you know it.

 

Cheers 

 

Charlie 

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I have a box full of NOS wedges etc that are supposed to be Hupp. Once the pics are up I may be able to supply what you need.

Cheers

Steve

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Almost have this figured out...first off, I spelled Hupmobile two ways in my posts to try to catch any different spellings. Kindly, one member gave me the likely correct answer. The rim is a model Hayes 210 and the clamp is a C-37S. Member "Sagefinds" was kind enough to post a pic if you look under "Hupmobile", you can see quite well.

Cheers

 

Charlie

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KrazyKat, 

Sorry for delayed follow-up. I've been on numerous trips lately, and haven't yet gotten around to installing the new tires on my Hupp. So in order to get you a photo now, I just took a shot of the rim clamp as installed on my car. All of my clamps around the car do match, so I think they are indeed correct for my car. 

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I'll get the rims apart and show a photo of the bolt shortly...whenever I finally get rested up from this latest trip...25 hours straight driving home from north western Colorado. Whew. 

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Well I think that  this is good enough. After seeing this pic on an assembled wheel, I totally agree with Sagefinds that the wedges my friend needs for his 1922 Hupmobile R is for the 210 wheel. Also as Sage find kindly indicated, theses ate also used on wood spoke early twenties Essex, Studebaker, Paige, Chalerts and some mid twenties Dodges. My friend will be looking for a full set of this C-37S wedge. Thanks all that responded.

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On 6/4/2019 at 11:31 AM, Steven Ford said:

I have a box full of NOS wedges etc that are supposed to be Hupp. Once the pics are up I may be able to supply what you need.

Cheers

Steve

This is good news for me to. Looking for wedges for my hupmobile also. 

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On 7/15/2019 at 6:51 AM, David Croner said:

This is good news for me to. Looking for wedges for my hupmobile also. 

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David Croner, your photo is pretty dark, at least on my screen. What numbers are on it? Any more photos? I do have a few wedges around, and MAYBE might have some like yours. 

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OK here is what I have after retrieving the box from the parts dungeon. A total of 9 of the units in Davids picture - numbers and all are the same on mine 

In addition there are 14 bolts, 16 of the clamp plates with a largish lip on them and 4 with a smaller lip (see pic) plus 1 odd ball plate. 

No good to me as I have the wire wheels fitted to my vehicles. Looking for 46 Buick hood latch bezel or the roof mounted antenna if someone can secure either for a straight swap.

My email is down so leave a message here and lets see what can be done

Cheers Steve

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On 7/27/2019 at 7:14 AM, lump said:

David Croner, your photo is pretty dark, at least on my screen. What numbers are on it? Any more photos? I do have a few wedges around, and MAYBE might have some like yours. 

Hi. I was able to find parts this weekend so now my problem is solved. But thank you. 

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