spectre1995

Help me identify this old Dodge Transmission

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I came across this transmission in a lot of Chevy transmissions I picked up to have spares for my truck (A pile of Saginaw 3 Speeds!), and I had no clue what it was but had to take it home with me. Far as I could tell, it's a 3 speed manual transmission out of a 1936 Dodge Pickup truck. Case numbers are "651358", and either 8-16, or 8-18, it's kind of hard to tell. I sprayed it down with some Gunk, and took it to the self service car wash to give it a good cleaning, so tomorrow I'll scrape the rest of the crud off and see if there's any other markings.

 

I'm pretty sure it's a Dodge gearbox, but I don't own anything this would go on. So would anyone have an approximate value for it?

 

Thanks in advance!

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Not sure, my Hollander book only shows a 651357....but that would correlate to the 36 LC 1/2 ton.

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18 hours ago, spectre1995 said:

I came across this transmission in a lot of Chevy transmissions I picked up to have spares for my truck (A pile of Saginaw 3 Speeds!), and I had no clue what it was but had to take it home with me. Far as I could tell, it's a 3 speed manual transmission out of a 1936 Dodge Pickup truck. Case numbers are "651358", and either 8-16, or 8-18, it's kind of hard to tell. I sprayed it down with some Gunk, and took it to the self service car wash to give it a good cleaning, so tomorrow I'll scrape the rest of the crud off and see if there's any other markings.

 

I'm pretty sure it's a Dodge gearbox, but I don't own anything this would go on. So would anyone have an approximate value for it?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

 

 

Should have a set of alpha numeric numbers on it that start with something like "T86" somewhere. I would suggest that info is needed before we can determine exact vehicles and value for sure. IMO the  $ range is somewhere between $50-$150 depending on condition and finding someone who needs it regardless... 

 

A few of some of the combo examples will look like this :

See entire sections in 111 & 113 to help determine further. 

1T86-1 (with brake)

T86-1 (without brake, *it notes "watch brake in interchanging)

T86-16A ….

 

Those numbers will be important for any buyer because of the combination possibilities of what someone may have to change in order to make it work for their application . May even work for someone with a T85 setup see sec 111

 

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Case casting numbers are in the Transmission Parts - Application section. 1952 Hollander says "T86-1 Case without brake casting #651357, 651358. 1T86-1 Case with brake casting #651371". This case fits the Chrysler '36, 37 C7, C8 Airstream exc. 7 pass.; Desoto '36 S-1 exc. 7 pass; Dodge '36 D2, LC 1/2 ton; Ply '36 all exc. 7 pass.

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43 minutes ago, Spinneyhill said:

Case casting numbers are in the Transmission Parts - Application section. 1952 Hollander says "T86-1 Case without brake casting #651357, 651358. 1T86-1 Case with brake casting #651371". This case fits the Chrysler '36, 37 C7, C8 Airstream exc. 7 pass.; Desoto '36 S-1 exc. 7 pass; Dodge '36 D2, LC 1/2 ton; Ply '36 all exc. 7 pass.

 

Ah, makes sense Graham, Yes, found it the Parts-Application Section, however, my Hollander only goes to 1940...I suspect over the years they updated the book to include the next casting, ending in "8", where my book might have been too early to catch that version....maybe?

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54 minutes ago, Spinneyhill said:

Case casting numbers are in the Transmission Parts - Application section. 1952 Hollander says "T86-1 Case without brake casting #651357, 651358. 1T86-1 Case with brake casting #651371". This case fits the Chrysler '36, 37 C7, C8 Airstream exc. 7 pass.; Desoto '36 S-1 exc. 7 pass; Dodge '36 D2, LC 1/2 ton; Ply '36 all exc. 7 pass.

 

Sorry for hijacking but I have to ask you Spinney (I know you are great at this stuff)...

 

what is T69-143 part interchangeable with ? Having a hard time finding in any of my Hollanders...

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3 hours ago, 30DodgePanel said:

what is T69-143 part interchangeable with

It is not in my 1952 Hollander. I suspect something 1930-34 or so. Mine really starts in 1935.

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On 5/19/2019 at 6:12 PM, Spinneyhill said:

It is not in my 1952 Hollander. I suspect something 1930-34 or so. Mine really starts in 1935.


I have a couple of fairly early editions that go back to the 20's and early 30's (7th & 9th edition etc..) but not seeing anything. Oh well, will have to check cross referencing maybe through gasket catalogs to see if I can tie it in somehow. 

Thanks for looking guys. 

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I have some early references too, but they don't give gearbox models or markings, just interchanges. I know the 1930 Chev was a T10, but I have no clues where a T69 might fit in the sequence.

 

It might be much later of course. The T56 was used in vehicles like Cobra, Viper, Camaro, Firebird, Ford.

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See Stakeside's post three or four down. His gearbox has T69-??? on the shifter top.

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