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I really have to wonder about Ford's rationale . First they dropped nearly all the cars from their line . Gas has shot up to near European prices here in Western Canada ,  $1.70 / litre Canadian , about $4.80 U.S. / gal.  And just Mustangs and trucks for sale. Not everyone has an expense account for fuel. 

  Then they load up the vehicles with tons of built in tech. And how many years do you think will pass before all that "stuff" either does not work or is obsolete ?

 24 month leases are a very expensive way to go. Many younger people don't have that sort of disposable income.

 Many older people don't want all that built in future E waste.

 Seems like a flawed marketing strategy.

 

 

The way Uber treats its drivers I can't see that business model surviving long term either. Not everyone can operate a car for hire on minimal income forever.

 

Greg in Canada

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Ford sells an F-series pickup every 41.8 seconds,  estimated $11 Billion in profit on F-series with 909,000 units sold in US alone 2018. Morgan Stanley analysts have famously said that if Fords pickups were their own franchise they would easily rake in more annual profits than McDonalds, 3M, or United Technologies. They would have ranked it 38 on the 2018 Fortune 500 list right behind Boeing and Pepsi co.

So it would appear many folks are not deterred by gas prices.

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43 minutes ago, md murray said:

Ford sells an F-series pickup every 41.8 seconds,  estimated $11 Billion in profit on F-series with 909,000 units sold in US alone 2018. Morgan Stanley analysts have famously said that if Fords pickups were their own franchise they would easily rake in more annual profits than McDonalds, 3M, or United Technologies. They would have ranked it 38 on the 2018 Fortune 500 list right behind Boeing and Pepsi co.

So it would appear many folks are not deterred by gas prices.

 

I definitely understand they are very good sellers. Just seems like a very expensive form of transport. My Hyundai cost me less than a third of a F150's base price and is quite a bit cheaper to operate , everything from fuel to battery replacement to tires. And it got me back and forth on a longish commute with absolutely no trouble in every sort of weather day in day out. 

 

I have a early 90's  F150. And for a decade before that a 70's F250, and for a decade before that a 1960's M100 so I am well acquainted with the Ford line. I have always put temp. insurance on them the 5 or 6 times a year I actually need a truck. I just can't imagine using any of them as daily transport like many do. One thing if you are a tradesman who actually needs a truck for work . But quite another as  a stand in for a car. Just the hassle of parking lots and urban traffic , let alone the operating cost.

 

Greg

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I Googled this to confirm what I just saw an hour ago in the parking lot. You can check your cars tire pressure with a iPhone, guy looked to be in his mid 20's. 

 

 

Bob 

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I liked Paul Walker in his movies. And I admired him with his legit racing . However his and his friends death in a very high performance Porsche, driven at a very high speed, on the street is more deserving of a Darwin award than a multi thousand car tribute cruise. 

 Didn't he get enough of a thrill behind the wheel of a race car, on a race track , in a fire suit , with emergency crews at the ready ? His death in a ball of flame on a back street just seems so stupid to me. Surely his time in the film industry and time on the real track should have made it clear to him no human is Superman.

 

Greg

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I must admit I only saw the first 3 movies. And you are right ,each one even up to that point was less likable than the first.

 

Greg

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3 hours ago, md murray said:

Ford sells an F-series pickup every 41.8 seconds,  estimated $11 Billion in profit on F-series with 909,000 units sold in US alone 2018. Morgan Stanley analysts have famously said that if Fords pickups were their own franchise they would easily rake in more annual profits than McDonalds, 3M, or United Technologies. They would have ranked it 38 on the 2018 Fortune 500 list right behind Boeing and Pepsi co.

So it would appear many folks are not deterred by gas prices.

You mean Ford sells a F series want-a-be truck every 41.8 seconds!

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Ford sold 70,000 F-series trucks last month.  The largest selling car was the Camry -- at fewer than 30,000 units.  Do the math.

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1 minute ago, KongaMan said:

Ford sold 70,000 F-series trucks last year.  The largest selling car was the Camry -- at fewer than 30,000 units.  Do the math.

 

Those look like monthly figures, not yearly. They sell something like 850,000 F-series trucks each year.

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2 minutes ago, Matt Harwood said:

 

Those look like monthly figures, not yearly. They sell something like 850,000 F-series trucks each year.

Those are want -a- be trucks

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The only thing I "want-a-be" is out the door for less than $70,000 to update my F-350!:P

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A gigantic percentage of F-150 sales are fleet sales.  Depending on the timing of the fleet reports, the sales figures are different.  Often, GM combination of Chevrolet and GMC outsell the F-150, but, since they are separated on paper, the F-150 wins.

 

Whether a person thinks the new trucks are "real trucks" or not, they are what is available in the category, and incredibly powered and more comfortable and capable than ever.  Change happens. 

 

 

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Just now, Pfeil said:

Those are want -a- be trucks

1. It's "wannabe".

2. You think Ford should drop the largest selling vehicle in the country to satisfy your sense of machismo?

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18 minutes ago, KongaMan said:

1. It's "wannabe".

2. You think Ford should drop the largest selling vehicle in the country to satisfy your sense of machismo?

NO, I think Ford should build a real work truck that doesn't wear you out loading and unloading it. Try lifting a 90Lb. wet saw over the bed rail of a 2WD ford truck! My 1999 Fords bedrail is 3' 10" high and it's a 4X4, a 2wd NEW Ford is at least one foot higher and a 4X4 is even higher. Sure Chevy has a new truck with a folding step, but that won't help you when the bed is full and you need something at the front. That fold down step is a admission that ALL the trucks are too high to WORK out of. They are all IF you prefer the term "WANNABE" Trucks. Or in other words useless to someone who works out of a truck because it wears you out. 

Offer it with V-8, 5 speed stick shift, A/C, AM FM CD radio, manual windows, full rubber floor mats/NO carpeting. Let's also keep the price down. 

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 Having driven Ford trucks for 40 years  then switching to two new general motors 3500 series diesel trucks in the last two years.  I can tell you I will never buy another GM again , two engines in two months.  And one Allison transmission shredded to chips.   I miss my old 7.3 L Ford ! 

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6 minutes ago, Pfeil said:

NO, I think Ford should build a real work truck that doesn't wear you out loading and unloading it. Try lifting a 90Lb. wet saw over the bed rail of a 2WD ford truck! My 1999 Fords bedrail is 3' 10" high and it's a 4X4, a 2wd NEW Ford is at least one foot higher and a 4X4 is even higher. Sure Chevy has a new truck with a folding step, but that won't help you when the bed is full and you need something at the front. That fold down step is a admission that ALL the trucks are too high to WORK out of. They are all IF you prefer the term "WANNABE" Trucks. Or in other words useless to someone who works out of a truck because it wears you out. 

Offer it with V-8, 5 speed stick shift, A/C, AM FM CD radio, manual windows, full rubber floor mats/NO carpeting. Let's also keep the price down. 

 

I can't argue with any of that.

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58 minutes ago, Pfeil said:

NO, I think Ford should build a real work truck that doesn't wear you out loading and unloading it. Try lifting a 90Lb. wet saw over the bed rail of a 2WD ford truck! ... Or in other words useless to someone who works out of a truck because it wears you out. 

You might try dropping the gate and loading it like that. ;) 

 

Sounds like you bought the wrong tool for the job.  That ain't Ford's fault.  Maybe a used S-10 would be more appropriate for your needs.

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Very first new vehicle was a 1976 Ford F-150, every option less power windows, out the door for just under $7,500.00. I think the same truck doubled in price in 4 years, and would be knocking on $50,000 today. I often wonder what the lawn guys have in rolling stock, Crew cab truck enclosed trailer two ride on SCAG mowers and the trimmers and blowers, has to be $100,000.00 or very close. 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said:

Very first new vehicle was a 1976 Ford F-150, every option less power windows, out the door for just under $7,500.00.

I believe the first year Ford offered power windows on a F-150 was 1982.

 

Craig

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48 minutes ago, KongaMan said:

 

You might try dropping the gate and loading it like that. ;) 

 

Sounds like you bought the wrong tool for the job.  That ain't Ford's fault.  Maybe a used S-10 would be more appropriate for your needs.

What happens if the only space in the bed is in the front?? 

 

No, I didn't bring the wrong tool, and I don't need a S10- my 1999 Ford is just fine except it's old, it's just the new trucks ( ALL OF THEM) are too high and too expensive because they are all loaded with needless accessories. The new Ford ranger is also too high and only comes with a I-4 and only in a automatic so forget about towing. Also the Ford Ranger is almost as big as a F150 and wide??? 59-60 Cadillac's are about 80" wide, these Rangers are 80.4" wide !!! 

 

When I worked in the automotive industry I was always advocating in fold down bed rails to the VP of marketing and people from product planning, but they were dead set in bringing trucks into the WANNABE realm that was in 2006 when I retired.

 There was only one company who really made the effort to put the right kind of truck bed on a truck, and the bed rails could be folded down and the truck could be loaded with a forklift from three sides;

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My 1995 F150, 6 auto, 2wd, no air or cruise or power anything.  Rubber mat floor w/vinyl seats.  Bought it as an orphan leftover in 1996, had it till 2013.

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I'm not trying to take sides, just restore a little balance to the truck talk-which by all rights probably should have it's own thread. My nephew is a certified Ford diesel mechanic, and who is the best mechanic I know. He no longer works in the industry, but he can give an in-depth critique of anything out there. When Jon talks people listen, I know I do. So what does he drive and why? The truck he bought new is a 1996 Dodge. The other is a Dodge that he picked up, for little or nothing. It was a well used work truck with 350K on the odometer, when he got it. The first truck is in beautiful condition showing over 200K . The work truck shows 500K. Neither engine has ever had any major work done to it. So why does Ford diesel mechanic drive Dodges? In his words it's because of the "Cummins."  

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42 minutes ago, 8E45E said:

I believe the first year Ford offered power windows on a F-150 was 1982.

 

Craig

Ok, Maybe I was thinking power door locks, check out that option availability please. Bob 

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Dodge would be in trouble if it wasn't for the Cummins.  The rest of the trucks fell apart around them.   They are very good engines and probably saved Dodges Butt.  Then again power trains have always been the best part of most Mopar products from the 50's up.  They were very dependable.  The rest of the car or truck not so much.  

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