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Hey whatever happened to California's push to secede from the union a year or two ago? They gave up too early.

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6 hours ago, Rusty_OToole said:

Considering the number of times California has run out of electricity, compared with the number of times they have run out of gas, I don't know how it is going to work when they double the demand for electricity to run all the cars, trucks and buses.

Maybe they will put the homeless and illegals to work pulling rickshaws ( sarkylert)

 

Just a minor point, but it looks like only about 20% of California's energy consumption is currently in the form of gasoline. 

https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA#tabs-1

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5 hours ago, mike6024 said:

Norway is a very wealthy country due to oil revenue. Offshore drilling for one. Therefore they can afford to ban gas powered vehicles and subsidize electric cars.

 

Yep, there is always a reason these programs or something close to it will work in those countries. The folks that push this socialist movement like to use these Nordic countries as an example. Sweden officials issued a statement a while back for these progressives regarding what they are suggesting here in the US that it is nothing like what they have there. In reality what they have is more capitalistic than socialist.

 

The biggest problem with the validity of these comparisons, none of these countries suggested have the social ills that the US is enduring. Our major cities are poverty ridden drug infested havens of crime, I live next door to Detroit, border is like five minutes away, it is an entirely different world over there. 60 years of socialistic policies have destroyed that city. Another example of where socialism didn't work.

 

The people of California need to stand up to this oppressive nonsense.

 

-Ron

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Here is the cover of "Car Life" magazine from

October 1959.  One of the stories they feature is titled,

"Will the U. S. Make Your Car Illegal?"  I don't have the

actual issue or article, but doesn't it sound familiar even

60 years later?

 

Hmm...The more things change, the more they stay the same---

 

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6 hours ago, Pete O said:

Care to educate us then?

 

Change, it's the only constant in the universe. The new generations will make you dinosaurs change, whether you like it or not. And price.

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26 minutes ago, maok said:

The new generations will make you dinosaurs change, whether you like it or not. And price.

Unless we properly teach them history (the way it actually happened and not the homogenized altered versions they are pushing) and how to think for themselves not preach what they are taught.

It takes a little life experience to help them understand that many haven't gotten yet.  

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4 hours ago, JamesR said:

Hey whatever happened to California's push to secede from the union a year or two ago? They gave up too early.

They abandoned that one and have been trying to split the state into three states so that they get more representation in the federal government.

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My state is out of control. Stop us before we spread east....

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2 minutes ago, GregLaR said:

My state is out of control. Stop us before we spread east....

Where do I send my contribution for the new wall? ;) 

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1 hour ago, maok said:

Change, it's the only constant in the universe.

 

I worked for a large company that got bought out, immediately the new owners began cutting and taking away everything they could, I complained, they said "The problem is, you don't like change" I replied "I welcome change as long as it's for the better, this isn't" I quit soon afterwards. I had one of those jobs that was very intricate and took about two years to learn, they begged me to come back. Last I heard, they gave the employees everything back and more, they were losing too many trained people.

 

As far as change being the only constant, when I was younger I used to say that as well, I don't now though. Read books as old as the Bible, people haven't changed at all in 2000 years, we've been using the fossil fueled piston engine since the late 1700's invented by Newcomen and will most likely continue to do so for many centuries, "better" ideas have came and went, but the best idea has survived. Sure there has been an array of gadgets like cell phones and computers, but none has really changed anything in a significant way, a significant fundamental change in mankind. When it comes right down to basic life, not much has really changed, because we humans never do. We just have more things to play with now.

 

1 hour ago, maok said:

The new generations will make you dinosaurs change, whether you like it or not.

 

I have a feeling these "new generations" have a rude awakening coming. We Americans don't like to be told what to do. This Republic was founded on individual sovereignty and liberty. It's not a Democracy, it's a Republic. As soon as the AOC gestapo shows up at our homes and tells us we have to upgrade or move, or tries to take our guns, the fight is going to be on.

 

-Ron

 

 

 

 

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44 minutes ago, auburnseeker said:

Unless we properly teach them history (the way it actually happened and not the homogenized altered versions they are pushing) and how to think for themselves not preach what they are taught.

It takes a little life experience to help them understand that many haven't gotten yet.  

 

Their rear vision mirror is a very small one, and they tend not to look at it much, and as you say, 'think for themselves', Musk and Zuckerberg are two examples, they can only do that with a clear windscreen.

If you wish to teach 'your' side of the story then I suggest the old generations start influencing the future - the digital media. The young have all the data in their pockets, all  sides of the story is easily accessible to them. Rupert Murdoch's control is being taken away.

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6 minutes ago, maok said:

Rupert Murdoch's control is being taken away.

 

I disagree. The new wild west known as the internet is on the fast track to being tamed.  Sectors of the US Government is doing everything it can to take full control of the internet. Not sure where you get your news, but the US and many other countries have passed several bills regarding cyber related issues. The UK as I understand it have some of the strictest laws. Nope, this big playground we've all enjoyed for the last 20 years is about to become another exclusive politically correct media mouthpiece. They already have AI software that scans webpages and transcribed voice recordings for "hate speech", you know,  anything that runs counter to the liberal agenda?

 

14 minutes ago, maok said:

The young have all the data in their pockets, all  sides of the story is easily accessible to them.

 

And that is why, no more of this subversive free thinking malarkey, they will control what the "young" read and hear just as is happening with our schools and universities.

 

-Ron

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I read in one of the local papers that the charging stations require 40-50 amps. If every house needs a service upgrade, will the local utility be able to handle the additional load? Will we need more coal fired generators to meet the demand? Do we really need to push electric cars? Batteries last about 7 years and will cost between $1 to $2K for a replacement. What do we do with all the batteries, nobody want's a battery recycling plant near them. Cars are running cleaner every year. My VW Alltrak gets about 35 MPG and many cars get more. Perhaps Hy-Breds, all electric I don't know, not in my lifetime. 

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I've had people, some here in fact, tell me I don't like change simply because I am not on board with the latest 'green' mandate.

I work in the IT infrastructure field, so you can't tell me I fear technology or change. There may not be any other industry that changes as quickly as the IT field does.

What I don't like is a government entity mandating the change.

I don't care what that change is, when the government mandates the change it will never be what is best for the industry or the consumer.

 

I love the new gadgets and tech in modern cars. Granted, the more tech you have the more there is to go wrong but with the proper tools it is not that difficult to troubleshoot.

But all the modern tech also makes me appreciate prewar cars all the more.

Prewar automotive tech is amazing given the time in which it was introduced and that is amazing in its own right.

Higher end cars like Pierce Arrow had adjustable ride control decades and decades before it became mainstream.

Driving a prewar car is most likely the closest I will ever get to being in a time machine.

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There is a very good chance that California, being the most progressive state, will be the 1st state to follow other countries around the world to ban ICE vehicles, how they go about it will be interesting.

When the Chinese start mass producing cheap electric cars, similar to what the Japanese did in the 70's/80's, the snowballing will start. The opportunities for the future thinkers will be endless. Vehicle 'ownership' will not be the same as the past.

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7 minutes ago, zepher said:

Driving a prewar car is most likely the closest I will ever get to being in a time machine.

 

You should try a steamer some time. Basic elements of fire and water. no electricity involved. Quiet smooth natural power.

 

-Ron

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5 minutes ago, Locomobile said:

 

You should try a steamer some time. Basic elements of fire and water. no electricity involved. Quiet smooth natural power.

 

-Ron

 

I would love to!

But unfortunately I don't know anyone that owns one.

 

I've ridden on a train that was pulled by a steam engine but I really want to be in the cab where all the excitement is.  😊

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3 minutes ago, maok said:

There is a very good chance that California, being the most progressive state, will be the 1st state to follow other countries around the world to ban ICE vehicles, how they go about it will be interesting.

When the Chinese start mass producing cheap electric cars, similar to what the Japanese did in the 70's/80's, the snowballing will start. The opportunities for the future thinkers will be endless. Vehicle 'ownership' will not be the same as the past.

 

Never going to happen, not in the US. When even more people join the present exodus from California, they will realize nobody wants to live in their liberal Utopia, and allow people again to drive whatever they want. The people that are leaving are the job creating business owners and working taxpaying citizenry, the back bone of any economy. This sort of thing is going to accelerate the looming bankruptcy of California. Nope, sorry this is just another bad idea that will be shelved. hide and watch.

 

-Ron

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Maybe I'm just paranoid....

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3 minutes ago, zepher said:

 

I would love to!

But unfortunately I don't know anyone that owns one.

 

I've ridden on a train that was pulled by a steam engine but I really want to be in the cab where all the excitement is.  😊

If you ever run in to me at a show, let me know and I'll take you for a ride.

 

-Ron

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Wonder how many "Greenies" know gas cars are 97% pollution free and have been since the 1980s?

 

If electric cars are 98% pollution free and gas cars are 97% pollution free and electric car batteries cause a lot more environmental destruction, and are harder to recycle safely, then what is to gain from electric cars?

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11 minutes ago, Rusty_OToole said:

Wonder how many "Greenies" know gas cars are 97% pollution free and have been since the 1980s?

 

If electric cars are 98% pollution free and gas cars are 97% pollution free and electric car batteries cause a lot more environmental destruction, and are harder to recycle safely, then what is to gain from electric cars?

 

Control, they only want us to be able to move a few hundred miles each day. Hard to fight off an invasion when you cannot move into a position to defend yourself.

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Electric cars have no soul. They are an appliance. They are about as exciting as a toaster. Nobody has or will ever wake up on a cold sweat dreaming of an electric car. If you think I am wrong then you have never brought an engine back to life after sitting idle for decades. That first pop, the smell the sound as the machine literally comes to life. Plugging and extension cord into a wall socket doesn't have the same appeal. We have to go green and electric while China pours acid into rivers and pollutes like mad men? I say no. I say be careful who you vote for. Just to be safe I recommend a straight Republican ticket for the next 50-60 years. The extreme left wants your money, guns, cars, freedom and even to take away your pet dog. If you want universal basic income and socialism move to the USSR. Oh wait a minute it didn't work out so well for them did it.

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If you want the perfect example of socialism with cradle to grave security and guaranteed annual income, join the Army. The US Army works better than any other socialist system because they are backed up by the US capitalist economy.

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12 hours ago, Brass is Best said:

Electric cars have no soul. They are an appliance. They are as exciting as watching a liberal speech on hybrid toasters. 

 

Fixed that for ya 😉

Oh wait, there's no such thing as a hybrid toaster....? give it time, I'm sure it's next on the agenda.

 

AOC's thought process while at home:

"Damn toasters ! They have to go !!! They are creating fumes in my kitchen that are ruining everyones breathing" 

 

Solicitor standing at the door:

Uhhh lady, it's called smoke, I think your toast is burnt....🙄

 

Sure, laugh at the stupidity of it, but trust me, they are capable of "forward thinking" like no other. HT's are coming people, it's only a matter of time.

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