1937hd45 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) Car auction is today, will there be any coverage or interest here? Bob Edited April 27, 2019 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said: Car auction is today, will there be any coverage or interest here? Bob I will track it for a while and perhaps add some commentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md murray Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Jeez- that great little all-original White roadster realized $71,000? that's pretty stout isn't it? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Seems like there's some money in the room … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, md murray said: Jeez- that great little all-original White roadster realized $71,000? that's pretty stout isn't it? Were is that info, how can we follow? With some cleaning that White could be on the lawn at Pebble Beach in the unrestored class. Bob Edited April 27, 2019 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md murray Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 right from Bonham's website it updates instantly and they have a pretty nice live feed. I'm at work today with it running in background! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, md murray said: right from Bonham's website it updates instantly and they have a pretty nice live feed. I'm at work today with it running in background! One view: https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25593/live/ Edited April 27, 2019 by j3studio (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Lot 60 STUDEBAKER AUTHORIZED SERVICE, Sold for US$ 3,825 inc.premium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 $300,000 for the 1930 Hispano-Suiza H6B Coupe Chauffeur—right at the center of the Bonham's estimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md murray Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Many of those prices realized yesterday for the advertising/signage are just down right comical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) ( Includes Buyer Premium ) Lot 401 US$ 14,560 1914 TRUMBULL MODEL 15-B CYCLECAR Lot 402 US$ 8,960 1914 SAXON MODEL A Lot 403 US$ 24,640 1910/1914 HISPANO-SUIZA 8HP "BOATTAIL" SPORTS ROADSTER Lot 404 US$ 67,200 1914 PEERLESS MODEL 48 TOWN CAR Coachwork by Kimball Lot 405 US$ 67,200 1913 WESTCOTT MODEL 4-40 ROADSTER Lot 406 US$ 41,440 1913 MINERVA MODEL GG FIVE-SEATER TOURING Coachwork by Cann of Camden, London Lot 407 US$ 71,680 1912 WHITE MODEL 30 G.A.D. ROADSTER Lot 408 US$ 47,040 1912 CARTERCAR MODEL R TOURER Lot 409 US$ 19,040 1911 SEARS MODEL P FOUR-PASSENGER WAGON Lot 410 US$ 30,240 1911 BRUSH MODEL E RUNABOUT Lot 411 US$ 43,680 1910 PATERSON MODEL 30 TOURING Lot 412 US$ 40,320 1912 HAYNES MODEL 19 TWO/THREE SEATER ROADSTER Coachwork by The Amesbury Reed & Rattan Co. Lot 413 US$ 51,520 1910 CHALMERS-DETROIT MODEL K '30' TOURING CAR Lot 414 US$ 76,160 C.1910 GLIDE MODEL 45 SCOUT Lot 415 US$ 41,440 1908 COLUMBUS 10HP TWO-CYLINDER AUTOBUGGY Lot 416 US$ 31,360 1907 FORD MODEL R RUNABOUT Lot 417 US$ 63,840 C.1906 QUEEN MODEL K TOURING Lot 418 US$ 25,760 1907 INTERNATIONAL MODEL A RUNABOUT Lot 419 US$ 87,360 1905 DELAUNAY-BELLEVILLE MODEL BAA 20HP TOURING CAR Lot 420 US$ 67,200 C.1904 WHITE MODEL 'E' 15HP STEAM CAR REAR ENTRANCE TONNEAU WITH CANOPY Lot 421 US$ 49,280 C.1905 REO SINGLE CYLINDER RUNABOUT Lot 422 US$ 39,200 1902 OLDSMOBILE MODEL R CURVED DASH RUNABOUT Lot 423 US$ 76,160 C.1903-5 CADILLAC 2/4 SEATER REAR ENTRANCE TONNEAU Lot 424 US$ 201,600 1899 KNOX MODEL A 5HP SINGLE-CYLINDER THREE-WHEEL RUNABOUT Lot 425 US$ 56,000 1886 BENZ PATENT MOTORWAGEN REPLICA Lot 426 US$ 11,200 1915 INTERNATIONAL MODEL F DEPOT HACK Lot 427 US$ 57,120 1915 WINTON MODEL 15 5-PASSENGER TOURING Lot 428 US$ 62,720 1915 LOZIER MODEL 82 SPEEDSTER Lot 429 US$ 128,800 C.1916 OWEN MAGNETIC TOURER Lot 430 US$ 34,720 C.1915 STUDEBAKER TWO-SEATER ROADSTER Lot 431 US$ 30,240 1916 AUBURN SERIES 6-38 "CHUMMY" ROADSTER Lot 432 US$ 8,400 1917 HUPMOBILE MODEL N Lot 433 US$ 44,800 1928 PIERCE-ARROW MODEL 81 RUMBLE SEAT CONVERTIBLE COUPE Lot 434 US$ 24,640 C.1918 STANLEY STEAMER 735 TOURING Lot 435 US$ 84,000 1917 PIERCE-ARROW MODEL 48-B-4 RUNABOUT Lot 436 US$ 35,840 1926 RENAULT MODEL PI18/24HP LIMOUSINE Coachwork by Felber et Fils, Paris Lot 437 US$ 47,040 1920 APPERSON MODEL 8-20 ANNIVERSARY EIGHT TOURSTER Lot 438 US$ 51,520 1921 MARTIN WASP MODEL B RICKSHAW VICTORIA Lot 439 US$ 75,040 1921 PACKARD 3-35 TWIN SIX CUSTOM TOWN CAR Coachwork by Wolfington, Philadelphia Lot 440 US$ 35,840 1923 BREWSTER-KNIGHT MODEL O2 TOWN LANDAULET Lot 441 US$ 90,720 1923 MARMON MODEL 34 2 PASSENGER SPEEDSTER Lot 442 US$ 8,960 1923 FORD MODEL T TUDOR CENTER DOOR Lot 443 US$ 13,440 1927 FORD MODEL T ROADSTER Lot 444 US$ 10,640 1924 GARDNER MODEL 5 FIVE PASSENGER SEDAN Lot 445 US$ 106,400 EX-ALEC ULMANN AND CRAWFORD AVIATION MUSEUM COLLECTIONS 1927 HISPANO-SUIZA T49 SHORT CHASSIS DROPHEAD COUPE Coachwork by Duple, London Lot 446 US$ 58,240 1927 STUTZ SERIES AA "BLACKHAWK SPEEDSTER" Coachwork in the style of LeBaron Lot 447 US$ 335,000 1930 HISPANO-SUIZA H6B COUPE CHAUFFEUR Coachwork by J. Fernandez, Body No. 541 Lot 448 US$ 49,280 1928 FRANKLIN AIRMAN SPORT TOURER Edited April 27, 2019 by mike6024 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 About 30 years ago that 1914 Peerless with the fire truck engine in it was in Connecticut at Tunick Brothers scrap yard. A gentleman in Holland asked me to go an look at it for him... it wasn't advertised as having the wrong engine. I always wondered what became of it. It was about the biggest car I've ever seen. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 hour ago, md murray said: Jeez- that great little all-original White roadster realized $71,000? that's pretty stout isn't it? Incredibly cool car ! And pre-1915, good horsepower, nice shape, and great patina as they say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Beautiful silver 1929 Packard Eight 633 Convertible Coupe—$72,000 plus premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, JV Puleo said: About 30 years ago that 1914 Peerless with the fire truck engine in it was in Connecticut at Tunick Brothers scrap yard. A gentleman in Holland asked me to go an look at it for him... it wasn't advertised as having the wrong engine. I always wondered what became of it. It was about the biggest car I've ever seen. The Peerless in the sale bid to 60K, though appeared to be a no-sale and I did not catch why (perhaps it was just on display and added to sale as owner had no place else to store it, time to move it on, or ...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JV Puleo said: About 30 years ago that 1914 Peerless with the fire truck engine in it was in Connecticut at Tunick Brothers scrap yard. A gentleman in Holland asked me to go an look at it for him... it wasn't advertised as having the wrong engine. I always wondered what became of it. It was about the biggest car I've ever seen. Dave Tunic had a somewhat less than stunning reputation, and that Peerless may have been one of two fire engine equipped vehicles that were stuffed in a railroad car and shipped to him after the funds were safely in the sellers hands. Payback is a bitch, I never knew what the seller received from Dave before this gotcha was shipped. Bob Edited April 27, 2019 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) The 1899 Knox did well at 180K against a 140-180 estimate - it paid to have it running for the sale ! The 1905 Delaunay-Belleville did well at 78K against a 40-50 estimate, but these cars do have a fan club and typically sell in this range or higher. I thought the 1923 Brewster Knight was a little on the light side at 32K against a 40-60 estimate - they are rare and have always seemed to have a "fan club" and been pretty sought after. There was a lot of discussion about the 1928 Pierce Arrow Cabriolet and it did ok at 40K against a 25-40 estimate (given age of restoration and non-running matched to colors) - I would say an well bought car (hard to get an open CCCA car in this price range). I thought the 1926 Renault too low at 32K against a 50-100K estimate - super cool car, but perhaps wrong market for it as intimidating to most people in US. I thought the 1927 Stutz Boattail a near steal at 52K against a 80-120K estimate. The 1931 Detroit Electric did well, though also not surprising as Electrics have been strong for quite some time now. There was also a lot of discussion about the 1932 Nash Convertible Sedan and it did pretty well at 75K against an 80-100K estimate (again given age of restoration and colors - also assumed non-running) - I would say a fair price. The 1934 Mercedes-Benz 290 Cabriolet D sold for well 105K against an 30K-60K estimate, but you could not find one with this much potential for 60K if you were running around waving 60K in your hand while screaming fire (I would say they were proper in keeping estimate low via it needing restored, but certainly was going to hit the high plus). Edited April 27, 2019 by John_Mereness (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1936 Lagonda LG45 Tourer did not come close to meeting it's estimate—sold for $150,000 plus buyer's premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Bentley, pair of Alvis, Lagonda....all selling well below estimates....wrong crowd? Other than that prices seem fairly good, Nash is a great car in horrible colors, colors don't help that Pierce either.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, trimacar said: Bentley, pair of Alvis, Lagonda....all selling well below estimates....wrong crowd? Other than that prices seem fairly good, Nash is a great car in horrible colors, colors don't help that Pierce either.... Perhaps wrong audience on the Alvis' and the Lagonda - cool cars, but not for the faint at heart mechanically if your intention is to drive them. Perhaps/wondering if they were just not marketed well enough individually to signal the right people that they were available. And, great cars for the US Concours circuit, though the popularity definitely is more so in Europe. The MGVA seemed to have a bit of the same issue too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, trimacar said: Bentley, pair of Alvis, Lagonda....all selling well below estimates....wrong crowd? Other than that prices seem fairly good, Nash is a great car in horrible colors, colors don't help that Pierce either.... The 1936 Bentley is a super cool body style being pillarless, but just depends on condition of the car and again a handful of car mechanically (I would have to see it in person). I have had the pair of RR 25/30 cars and the RR PI, so it does not intimidate me, but nevertheless I did not find working on them to be much fun either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) A lot of cars in frightening shape. over the last hour or so. Edited April 27, 2019 by j3studio (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) Was the estimate too hopeful for the Cadillac limousine? The interior obviously needed a lot of work. Edited April 27, 2019 by j3studio (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, j3studio said: Was the estimate too hopeful for the Cadillac limousine? The interior obviously needed a lot of work. 65-110K as the estimate on the 1938 Cadillac V-16 (with sale price of 65K) - by the way, a cloth interior is still pretty expensive to do (only difference I see is cost of leather to cloth and perhaps 5%). Edited April 27, 2019 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 $40,000 for a handsome blue 1941 Lincoln Zephyr Convertible Coupe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 … and here comes the Tucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNGizmo Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Any particular reason the museum is selling so may or are these not all museum's cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Seems like there's always money for a Tucker: $1,800,000 plus buyer's premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md murray Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 funny to see the shiny and not so shiny L29 cabriolets bring about the same money 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TNGizmo said: Any particular reason the museum is selling so may or are these not all museum's cars? The museum is closing—the proceeds are going to charity. Edited April 27, 2019 by j3studio (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Just now, md murray said: funny to see the shiny and not so shiny L29 cabriolets bring about the same money I noticed that. Was the shiny the wrong color? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) 1955 Packard Caribbean Convertible—in what I think of as the "right" color combination (Dover White, Scottish Heather, Maltese Gray)—sells for a mere $25,000. Lots of fifties iron getting killed out there; a 1954 Kaiser Darrin Sports Convertible sells for $68,000. Edited April 27, 2019 by j3studio (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNGizmo Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Seems like enthusiasm is waning. 58 Packard sold at $10k with a low estimate at $30K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_a Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, John_Mereness said: The Peerless in the sale bid to 60K, though appeared to be a no-sale and I did not catch why (perhaps it was just on display and added to sale as owner had no place else to store it, time to move it on, or ...). The Peerless has been in the collection for a decade or two, but in the back room behind a pile of artificial Christmas trees and never displayed to the public. 3 hours ago mike6024 said it fetched $67,200. That's a good price for a car which is un-restored, and which has an approximately 610 Cu. In./110 HP Ahrens-Fox engine instead of the approximately 90 HP/578 Cu. In. Peerless engine . The online description says it was a period motor swap and that the Peerless may have been owned by the fire truck company. Bonhams says it sold for 60K, so who knows. Edited April 27, 2019 by jeff_a (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Just now, jeff_a said: The Peerless has been in the collection for a decade or two. There is no reported sale price (only car in auction that does not have one so far). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, TNGizmo said: Seems like enthusiasm is waning. 58 Packard sold at $10k with a low estimate at $30K Why go for the 1958 when you could get the Caribbean for 25k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 35 minutes ago, md murray said: funny to see the shiny and not so shiny L29 cabriolets bring about the same money My guessing is the "unrestored" L-29 was deemed to have been a better product to start with - I found such curious too (guess my decision would have been made seeing pair together in person). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, j3studio said: I noticed that. Was the shiny the wrong color? There really is not anything wrong with an L-29 in Yellow with Green trim. I am not sure how exactly it work on a new car, but somewhere I have like 4 standard Cabriolet color combinations (ex. Ken Clark's Cabriolet finished in Black with Copper color trim is one combination listed). Edited April 27, 2019 by John_Mereness (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, John_Mereness said: There really is not anything wrong with an L-29 in Yellow with Green trim. I am not sure how exactly it work on a new car, but somewhere I have like 4 standard Cabriolet colors combinations (ex. Ken Clark's Cabriolet finished in Black with Copper color trim is one combination listed). I phrased that incorrectly—I didn't think the color was wrong, just not what buyers might prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3Studio Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 … and a 1960 Chrysler 300F that is currently a convertible sells for $52,000—though it seems it wasn't always a convertible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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