B Jake Moran

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I do not have a finger pointing picture. There was one at the funeral services for my grandfather.(he was a WW2 Army Vet) Photo was of him pointing, strange picture to have sitting there. I had never seen it before. My Aunt is a DAR member, so was my grandmother. My Aunt said she picked the picture to have there. Father Navy, Uncle Navy. Me, just a beer drinking car guy.  Picture was a little different then your picture Bernie. Strange stuff. What a story out here. Selling.jpg.f0cd2c5d17a3bbfa517a93c5c00e75ae.jpg

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I have a driver/beater that I have to sell and it bothers me a lot to have to pay for an ad on Craigslist that was formerly free.  The way I see it, you pay $5.00 for a 30 day ad that is 6 pages back in a couple of days.   It will have practically no exposure at that point.  If they want to charge for ads, there should be a 'refresh' button so you can go to your ad and 'top post' it every few days.

 

On a related topic,  where is a good place to post a free car for sale ad besides Auto Round Up and Facebook Marketplace?

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Facebook Marketplace is the next free marketplace, I think it's traffic will not reach CL traffic. 

 

It is whooping CL's A.............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the younger people prefer it.

 

Harold- list your car for free on CL- just put it in the auto parts section............ I do it all of the time.

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They say it's a bad idea to give away free kittens or puppies, and it may work that way with online ads, too. I can't remember if it was cl or ebay, but there was a guy who thought his mid fifties Ford convertible was worth $30,000 even though he couldn't be troubled to brush the dirt off or pull it out in the driveway to take the photos. I understand there are elderly folks who are physically unable to do what it takes to make a car presentable, but if the car's worth 30k, then it may be worth 20 bucks to pay some neighbor kid to back it out of the garage, wash it and take a half a dozen cell phone photos.

 

Just kind of a basic sales philosophy: If you want buyers to believe your car is worth $30,000, then you should act like you believe it's worth $30,000. Instead, the philosophy of many sellers seems to "there might be some rich idiot out there who'll buy it." I was looking at completed auctions on ebay classics and most of them aren't selling.

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2 hours ago, JamesR said:

I was looking at completed auctions on ebay classics and most of them aren't selling.

And some cars sell over and over.  What's up with that?

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14 minutes ago, Harold said:

And some cars sell over and over.  What's up with that?

Those cars that sell over and over are one of two cases,  either a shill bidder or parties that use ebay as a game and aren't serious buyers.  As a seller I will tell you alot of people don't pay for a variety of reasons and some never have any intention of paying before even bidding.  The problem is ebay doesn't want to hurt a Buyer's feelings so they do very little if anything to make buyers pay up.  I sell alot of $3 to $10 items on there.  Last I checked I had 9 pages of items not paid for totaling nearly $3000.  Does that give you an idea of how bad things really are for sellers on ebay?  We have no real way to inflict pain or get buyer's accounts suspended that repeatedly stiff sellers.  Yeah I still have my merchandise but ebay collected a fee on an item that never actually sold.  It ain't sold until it's paid for. And remember anything a seller does can be met with negative feedback. 

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Sounds like a bunch of sailboaters who believe that because the wind is free everything else should be free as well.

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14 hours ago, Harold said:

And some cars sell over and over.  What's up with that?

 

Sometimes folks win the auction and then their mother, wife, husband, boyfriend, priest, witch doctor, dog, cat, goldfish, teddy bear, buddies in the car club, buddies at the bar, bar tender, or union rep tells them not to buy it. Because they have no money and shouldn't have been bidding anyways. 

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Here is a classic example from last night.  My top sale.  Someone won a Dealer album for 342.00.  A very good bid.  They then paid for it.  Great finally a decent night's sales as with the other 30 items came up to $800.  Mind you I have quite a bit invested in this stuff so the profit margin is much smaller.  

Anyways there is a request this morning to cancel the transaction with no explanation.  

I of course question the buyer as to why.  They said they bid $108. So how did you win it for 342.00. much less pay for it as well?   

This follows up the previous night's sale where one of the dealer books from 1959 I sold for $160.  I asked the buyer before shipping it if he noticed that the cover was broken and fixed on it?  It was clearly shown in the photos,  though not specifically highlighted in them as there were 100 pages in the book loaded with photos for the 59 cars and Corvettes so I had to choose what to use those 12 photos for.  It was however noted in both the short condition description at the top,  in Big bold letters at the very beginning of the description and again in the description further along.  He said no he didn't and wouldn't want it because of that.  (Insert icon here for man pulling out his hair) 

This is how things like the stuff popping up continuously on ebay happen.  To put it short,  many bidders / Buyers are idiots.   I have never actually put a number in higher than Intended to bid and had to retract it ever in thousands of bids a year over the last 10 years.  There is a separate page that asks are you sure this is your bid that you have to agree to.  Are these buyer's completely blind?  I have a feeling most problems are related to bidder's remorse. 

How sellers really wish we had that nuclear negative feedback button back.  I wouldn't care if it garnered me negatives or not (hell they can nail you with a negative for no reason whatsoever anyways) 

 

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9 minutes ago, auburnseeker said:

Here is a classic example from last night.  My top sale.  Someone won a Dealer album for 342.00.  A very good bid.  They then paid for it.  Great finally a decent night's sales as with the other 30 items came up to $800.  Mind you I have quite a bit invested in this stuff so the profit margin is much smaller.  

Anyways there is a request this morning to cancel the transaction with no explanation.  

I of course question the buyer as to why.  They said they bid $108. So how did you win it for 342.00. much less pay for it as well?   

This follows up the previous night's sale where one of the dealer books from 1959 I sold for $160.  I asked the buyer before shipping it if he noticed that the cover was broken and fixed on it?  It was clearly shown in the photos,  though not specifically highlighted in them as there were 100 pages in the book loaded with photos for the 59 cars and Corvettes so I had to choose what to use those 12 photos for.  It was however noted in both the short condition description at the top,  in Big bold letters at the very beginning of the description and again in the description further along.  He said no he didn't and wouldn't want it because of that.  (Insert icon here for man pulling out his hair) 

This is how things like the stuff popping up continuously on ebay happen.  To put it short,  many bidders / Buyers are idiots.   I have never actually put a number in higher than Intended to bid and had to retract it ever in thousands of bids a year over the last 10 years.  There is a separate page that asks are you sure this is your bid that you have to agree to.  Are these buyer's completely blind?  I have a feeling most problems are related to bidder's remorse. 

How sellers really wish we had that nuclear negative feedback button back.  I wouldn't care if it garnered me negatives or not (hell they can nail you with a negative for no reason whatsoever anyways) 

 

 

If I had to rely on eBay to make a living like you do, Randy, I think there would be murders.

 

It's a consequence-free environment. I have people bid to buy my cars and/or hit Buy It Now with no intention of buying, they just want to hit the pause button while they figure it out. Costs them nothing, right? Who cares? You're not a person or a business trying to make a living, you're just a button on their computer designed to give them a brief endorphin rush and when it wears off, they might decide the highwasn't worth it. It sucks and I couldn't imagine dealing with dozens on a daily basis. Kudos to you, you're a better man than I.

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There are some days of smooth sailing but the margins seem to get slimmer.  That's why I list 30 to 40 items a night.  When I started I wasn't doing bad with 5 to 10.  Bumped it to 20 then up to 30,  now 30 to 40 but that's the max pother than an odd day when I have stuff really ready top go and items are very similar.  

Worst thing is the no pay bidders.  I have piles of sold inventory that didn't sell for much.  9 pages worth infact totaling $3000.  One customer has over 100 items and owes me $1,000. he used to pay but hasn't and has more excuses.  I won't tell you how messed up ebay's invoicing system is if buyer's don't stay on top of their purchases.  

I know mine is piddly compared to the numbers $$ wise Matt deals with, but as my only outlet for sales it does get a bit unnerving.  

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  I will state something about Craigslist, I will also go into Ebay a bit.... Most of you know my situation and how I need to sell off cars. I have sold more cars on Craigslist than any other site or auction house known to exist and without having to deal with time wasters and lowballers. Craigslist is or should I say, was a blessing. I was able to sell off 30+ cars on CL in the last few years. Remember, I am not a dealer so unloading 30 cars from my yard helped unclutter the place alot! However, now that the site is looking to charge 5 dollars for each listing, Craigslist is going down the drain. You will see. I do not feel comfortable giving credit card information on Craigslist, maybe that is just me but it may keep me from listing on the site again. The other problem is the ad will vanish within a day or two, now, you can not just refresh the ad every few days, you have to pay another 5 dollars. If you have several cars on Craigslist, between posting and refreshing the ads every few days, you will be up for $50 or $100 per week very fast. It's not about the 5 dollars. Craigslist has two options now, either go back to the free automobile listings, or, watch Craigslist drop off the planet as the listings become smaller and smaller as people look to find other sites. Ebay is my second pick in selling cars. I now hear Craigslist is also looking to charge the same 5 dollars to post under Motorcycles and under car parts? Come on now. I have been using Ebay for over 15 years now, still with 100% positive feedback and not one time did I have an unhappy buyer.

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I’m suprised that Craigslist didn’t just start running ads. I’m sure Coca-Cola or McDonalds should have been happy to pay Craigslist for another space to advertise their product. I’ve noticed that Craigslist has seemed to be not as great the last few weeks since they did this. Facebook Marketplace works ok for things other than cars. Cars are weird on there. I didn’t it hard to look for exactly what you want. Especially since they seem to only have pre selected makes and models 

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If you know the story of Craigslist, you will know that the company was never started as a money maker at all.  This $5 fee is not to make money, it is to help clean up the fraudulent sales.  It has already made a big difference in the listings.

 

Every single private individual could stop using craigslist and it would not affect their income at all.  It's all from companies listing jobs and ticket/auto brokers.  They are the ones who pay, and have done so for 20 years.

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Less sellers means less lookers.  It's a downward spiral.   Today I noticed 4 new cars in the search that used to fill 3 pages.  Yes some were the junk but 75 percent weren't.   I hear the one time $5 listing and you're buried isn't helping things.  I might try it once when I sell the 40 Ford, but  that will probably be it.  Only so many dollars to spend advertising,  I want to put it in front of eyes that will see it and hopefully be able to bring it back to attention without it getting buried as I'm sure it won't sell the first day it's listed.  Alot of competition in the 40 Ford market. 

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UPDATE:  I bit the bullet and listed my Stratus on Facebook Marketplace last Monday.  Got about 30 replies, they were all pretty much talk.  One guy couldn't get here before last night and bought the car immediately.  He registered the car this morning and drove away happy.

 

Would I do it again?  Probably, but I'd still be happier without my real name splashed on the ad.

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