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Got to work on a CarterCar today....

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Helped out my 80+ year old friend today. He needed to remove a flat tire from one of his all original CarterCars so he could have a guy fix it....easy, peasy. He was afraid he would have to remove the whole wheel with hub and all. I educated him.

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They were known for their unique friction drive transmission. Easy to drive and infinitely variable speed.

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Love the non skid tires and the way they write their name on the road.

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3 hours ago, Rusty_OToole said:

They were known for their unique friction drive transmission. Easy to drive and infinitely variable speed.

The "transmission"....

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Very cool! I've seen that set-up in vintage saw mills but never on a car!

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Others used this system for a while. Metz being one. Supposedly worked best on lighter cars.

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Also Petrel, I believe, and Sears highwheelers.  

 

And my self-propelled modern snowblower!

 

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5 hours ago, gwells said:

Others used this system for a while. Metz being one. Supposedly worked best on lighter cars.

 

I have also seen it in operation in an Orient Buckboard.

 

Craig

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5 minutes ago, Dave Fields said:

Back when Jimmy Carter ran against Gerald Ford on of the AACA regions had a race between a Carter and a Ford. A picture was published in The Antique Automobile the AACA magazine.

Who won?

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William Durant said he bought the Cartercar company because of their friction drive, not knowing that the Ford Model T was going to put all other low priced cars out of business. He also bought the Haney Lamp Company for a big price because they held patents on acetylene headlights, right before the electric light put them out of business. It was decisions like that, that led to him losing control of General Motors to the bankers.

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Rusty,

 

I believe the lamp company name is correctly spelled Heany.

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I wonder how many cars used the friction-drive system. Cartercar started in 1905, but John W. Lambert patented the system Carter used in 1904. A few dozen makers followed, including Waltham, Metz, Sears, Lambert, etc. It would be interesting to search the "Standard Catalog" to see. 

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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The friction drive patents are interesting.   In another example of how government works, the Patent Office issued a friction drive transmission patent to both Carter and Lambert on the same day in 1904: 

https://patents.google.com/patent/US761384A/en

https://patents.google.com/patent/US761146A/en

Not surprisingly, lawsuits and counter suits ensued between Cartercar and Lambert.   The Lambert patent primarily focused on the friction disc and wheel surfaces, in particular the use of aluminum on the friction disc, while the Carter patent focused more on the complete drive setup.   My suspicion is that Lambert got the best of the aluminum argument because Cartercar switched to another alloy even though they made claims of using aluminum first.   You can see the alloy disc in a picture above. 

 

I have found about 45 makes that used a friction drive transmission but I'm sure there are more to be found...

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Pretty certain this is the tool being used to work on the CarterCar tire....

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On 4/22/2019 at 8:41 AM, keiser31 said:

The "transmission"....

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Very similar to the Orient Buckboard.

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31 minutes ago, 8E45E said:

Very similar to the Orient Buckboard.

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Interesting photo, 8E45E...  I think that may be my Orient Buckboard. 

 

Not that I mind, but I'm curious where you might have come across this pic? If it's my car I don't believe that's one of my photos.  

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If you're from Edmonton, I have no doubt in my mind its your car.  You may recall I took a few photos of it at Leduc's West Ag Society last summer.

 

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Another Orient Buckboard in the Gilmore Museum in Michigan.

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Craig

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