Tech Mistress Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) Hello All! Did the 1928 Chrysler Business Coupe go by a model number? I'm trying to find information (I have one to sell) and it's pretty slim by that moniker. I wasn't sure if it was known by a model number as well. Thanks! Edited March 20, 2019 by Tech Mistress (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maok Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 The '28 models, Series 52 4 cylinder, search google for engine capacity Series 62 6 cylinder, 180ci Series 72 6 cylinder, search google for engine capacity Series 80/Imperial 6 cylinder search google for engine capacity I would imagine they were available in the various body shapes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Mistress Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 So any of the series could have the name "Business Coupe", or just one of them would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maok Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Sorry, I really couldn't tell you if the 'business coupe' was limited to any particular model/series. Others will probably chime in and have a definitive response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I’m not sure the term business coupe was used at that time. In the 1930s, two door coupes with no back seat were referred to as business coupes as their was ample room for a traveling salesman to store his wares inside the car. I believe your car would be a coupe without the word business in the title. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Mistress Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 Thanks both of you. Now to figure out which 6 cylinder model it is! It should be fairly easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) Your car has the slim radiator shell that was started as the 1929 Model. You will need to use the Fedco number on the dash, 1928 had one like in the photo. 1929 and early 30 had an oval one. The engine serial number stamped on the left side will start with a letter that will tell the Model also. Edited March 20, 2019 by 28 Chrysler (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TerryB Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Ha! Interesting find! I’ve not seen that before. In this case the “business” may refer to a smaller engine as businessmen were not fond of spending a lot on fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maok Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Its definitely not a '28. Others will know, the '29 models started productions in mid '28 there is always confusion with this. Lovely car by the way. If a '29 then, it could be, Series 65, series 75, series 80/Imperial. All 6 cylinder models, no 4 cylinder was offer unless one purchased a plymouth or dodge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Mistress Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 Yes, but that's the extent of "1928 Chrysler Business Coupe" on the interent. Mr. Zweifel advertising in the paper for one straight year, every month! The model 52 looks the most similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maok Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Count the number of spark plugs, if more than 4 then it cannot be a series 52. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) To be a business coupe your car should have a removable rear seat or no rear seat, as that is typical description for a business coupe. It should have more storage than a typical coupe. Regardless, it is a very nice car from your pictures. I’ve seen combos where the rear seat was removed and a more fuel stingy carburetor was fitted to appeal to a businessman. Edited March 20, 2019 by TerryB (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Mistress Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 So it appears it's a Model 65. Year, probably on the cusp. I can't quite interpret the serial numbers on the chart, as my engine says "P300290". A 1928-1929, based on the Serial letter P. Number chart: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maok Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) That chart is not for the engine number, rather the FEDCO number on the plate on the dashboard inside the car. Similar to the one '28 Chrysler' posted above. Edit: the 'P' prefix in the engine number I believe represents a series 65. Edited March 20, 2019 by maok (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 The book "70 years of Chrysler" by Dammann pg 149, says for mid-year 1928, Chrysler introduced the "Series 62 Business Coupe, a 2 place car with a rather large trunk space". 3,142 were built. The regular Series 62 Coupe came with a rumble seat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 The engine number is a Model 65. The 65 series was started in July of 1928 for the 1929 Model year. If the car was first sold in late 1928 some states would have titled it as a 1928. Yours is one of 4,,655 Bus. Coupes, figure about a 10% survival rate for a guess on how many remain. Here is a photo of a Model 62 version with a 1930 bumper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, 28 Chrysler said: The engine number is a Model 65. The 65 series was started in July of 1928 for the 1929 Model year. If the car was first sold in late 1928 some states would have titled it as a 1928. Yours is one of 4,,655 Bus. Coupes, figure about a 10% survival rate for a guess on how many remain. Here is a photo of a Model 62 version with a 1930 bumper. I believe the 1930 bumpers did not have the grooves. Looks like a 1929 bumper to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) The car in question is a 1929 Model 65 business coupe and needs to lose the Model A Ford bumpers. Edited March 20, 2019 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Mistress Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 Where would you guys value the car? I realize the bumper brings down the value, but I really am not too sure about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 34 minutes ago, Tech Mistress said: Where would you guys value the car? I realize the bumper brings down the value, but I really am not too sure about it. Does it run, drive and stop? Close up pics of the interior, motor and paint are needed to help with that question. Do you have a title for it? That info will help with value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Mistress Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 Restored 23 years ago, then drive twice a year for several years. Stored indoors. Beautiful condition, no rust or dents. - 6 Cylinder Engine - Mileage says 65K, but engine was redone at time of restoration. Very tight. - 98% Original - Bumpers are from a 1928 Ford, since none could be found for this car, light switch was replaced - Mohair Upholstry Runs well, no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I'm sorry if I offend, here, but the white walls are showing their age. Maybe they could be brightened with some wonder chemical, but I think that black walls would have looked best all along. I only share that thought because I genuinely think that they effect the appearance and appeal and, thus, value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Mistress Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 No offense. Just looking for advice on value as is, since I don't have the ability to change anything on the vehicle. I am not a collector, so I can't even begin to think of the millions of things that would increase the value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 A good washing and cleaning of surfaces always helps improve the first impressions of a vehicle for sale. Look at Harwood Motors website, one of our members here on how to photograph a car to sell. Since your car has been restored once, there is no need to preserve the dirt and dust that’s on it now to show originality. If anything, dirt and dust shows neglect and that’s not what you want a buyer to feel when looking at it. I will repeat the need to indicate there is a clear path of ownership for a potential buyer as in you have a title to the vehicle or other legal means to sell it so the new buyer does not have to jump through hoops in order to get it registered in their name. Best of luck with the sale. I’m in no position to give a value for it but wish you all the best in the sales process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Mistress Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 I'm not trying to market this as a showroom car. It's a beautiful car in good condition. Any collector who sees it will know to wash it. I don't really need to get the top most dollar, just what it's worth. I just wanted a round figure. $10k? $20k? $5k? It's hard to find any comps online, and I'm just totally lost, since I've seen such a range or prices and a range of conditions for similar cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tech Mistress said: I'm not trying to market this as a showroom car. It's a beautiful car in good condition. Any collector who sees it will know to wash it. I don't really need to get the top most dollar, just what it's worth. I just wanted a round figure. $10k? $20k? $5k? It's hard to find any comps online, and I'm just totally lost, since I've seen such a range or prices and a range of conditions for similar cars. You still need to say if you have a title or other proof of transferable ownership. That alone will affect price estimates and how many potential buyers you might have. A local car wash has a sign that says “A clean car has class”, I was just suggesting a bit of clean up goes a long way. You do not have to make it look “showroom”, just trying to give a little help. Best wishes, Terry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 52 minutes ago, Tech Mistress said: I'm not trying to market this as a showroom car. It's a beautiful car in good condition. Any collector who sees it will know to wash it. I don't really need to get the top most dollar, just what it's worth. I just wanted a round figure. $10k? $20k? $5k? It's hard to find any comps online, and I'm just totally lost, since I've seen such a range or prices and a range of conditions for similar cars. I guess that what we aren't saying here is that prices vary wildly and it's difficult to speculate. It really depends a lot on how appealing it looks, where you offer it (auction, classified ad, consigned with a known and well respected retailer, etc). Also, we all have our favorites niches in the hobby and our knowledge can be strong in one vintage or brand and weak in others. Others who are better qualified than me will weigh in shortly, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maok Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 This one here is being valued by the members between $20k-$25k, but this a series 77 1930 model. So maybe $10k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) I was thinking of suggesting $12,500 as it sits now, not because I have a clue of what it really should sell for, but because my indicating what I think it should sell for will bring on a chorus of hoots and howls and eventually various indications of how far off I am. Maybe when the derision is done you'll be able to cobble together a consensus. I'm sorry that it should take that much work but everybody has an opinion, they just don't want to be called out on it if it's laughable! Edited March 20, 2019 by Hudsy Wudsy (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Hudsy Wudsy said: I was thinking of suggesting $12,500 as it sits now, not because I have a clue of what it really should sell for, but because my indicating what I think it should sell for will bring on a chorus of hoots and howls and eventually various indications of how far off I am. Maybe when the derision is done you'll be able to cobble together a consensus. I'm sorry that it should take that much work but everybody has an opinion, they just don't want to be called out on it if it's laughable! Yep....we all have an opinion. I would guess that with the dual fender mounted spares it will raise the value. Then, it is only a two passenger coupe. Three if skinny. That will lower the value. I would say it is probably worth about $12-12,500 if it runs out well on the road. As stated by others....just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcslr Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just looking at this thread, it is an interesting car. I'd like to see a detail photo of the running board at the rear fender. From the view, it looks strange. The 29 fender had a small curve mating to the running board. In 30, Chrysler eliminated that. It looks like it has 30 features. Another detail photo would be the spare tire bracket - looks strange - but it appears the same on both sides. A detail photo of the passenger side engine compartment would be nice. I'd like to see the distributor cap, carburetor and the generator. Mr Keiser got the model A bumpers. Mr Moak's picture of the 30 is a really, really early 30. The pennant louvre disappeared quickly. Notice the rear fender - that is a later 29 fender is nicely shows the curve. Later 30s eliminated that as I mentioned above. The caps look odd, though - more like Imperial caps. I see it has a right side tail lamp - that was most likely an additional later. Really beautiful car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) This will help you work out the series and what it is. https://www.classiccardatabase.com/search.php?year=1928&make=Chrysler&submit=Search The 1928 wheelbases were: 52 106" 62 109" 65 112-3/4" 72 120.5" 75 112-3/4" 80 136" You will also see there that this model was the cheapest Chrysler 65 that year. No one has said it, but first impressions are the most important. If you are serious about selling it, you need decent photos and it needs to be spotless. Decent photos have even lighting (not sun and deep shade) and are in focus. Engine photos must be from beside the engine, not 3 m away. The more photos the better. Buyers price down the more uncertainty there is. Edited March 21, 2019 by Spinneyhill (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, tcslr said: Just looking at this thread, it is an interesting car. I'd like to see a detail photo of the running board at the rear fender. From the view, it looks strange. The 29 fender had a small curve mating to the running board. In 30, Chrysler eliminated that. It looks like it has 30 features. Another detail photo would be the spare tire bracket - looks strange - but it appears the same on both sides. A detail photo of the passenger side engine compartment would be nice. I'd like to see the distributor cap, carburetor and the generator. Mr Keiser got the model A bumpers. Mr Moak's picture of the 30 is a really, really early 30. The pennant louvre disappeared quickly. Notice the rear fender - that is a later 29 fender is nicely shows the curve. Later 30s eliminated that as I mentioned above. The caps look odd, though - more like Imperial caps. I see it has a right side tail lamp - that was most likely an additional later. Really beautiful car. Just to elaborate/correct....the Model 65 did not have the curve in front of the rear fender. The Model 75 did. At the risk of repeating myself, the car in the first post is a 1929 Model 65 business coupe. Edited March 21, 2019 by keiser31 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckowner Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) I have a 1929 Chrysler 65 complete front bumper if interested. Rick Edited March 21, 2019 by ckowner (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcslr Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Ya learn something every day! Thanks, John. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Mistress Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 Sorry I couldn't answer! It said I'd reached my post limit for the day. Hmph! Thanks everyone for all of the information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Thanks for the thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Man Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 When Graham-Paige built "Business Coupes" they were nonsense transportation for sale people, simple cars, leather seats (the face only). The easy way to tell a business coupe is the trunk latch is on the bottom, rumble seat the latch is on the top. Graham advertised you could sleep in the car.. if necessary. Of course Coupes across the years are all up in prices, vs sedans, they look great. 1928 Graham-Paige 610 "Business Coupe" lowest price car for 1929 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 3:42 PM, Graham Man said: When Graham-Paige built "Business Coupes" they were nonsense transportation for sale people, simple cars, leather seats (the face only). The easy way to tell a business coupe is the trunk latch is on the bottom, rumble seat the latch is on the top. Graham advertised you could sleep in the car.. if necessary. Of course Coupes across the years are all up in prices, vs sedans, they look great. Mr G Paige, I suspect that you mean "no-nonsense" transportation. The fine automobiles of Graham-Paige never fell into the category of nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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