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Imagine trying to pull that off now!

 

I say we drop Pierce Arrow.  😄

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1 hour ago, alsancle said:

Imagine trying to pull that off now!

 

I say we drop Pierce Arrow.  😄

Over my dead Archer!  Them's fightin'' words!

 

You just HAD to pick my favorite marque, thanks!

 

I didn't realize that a Model car had be de-classicfied in the CCCA, that's very interesting.

 

 

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1 hour ago, trimacar said:

You just HAD to pick my favorite marque, thanks!

 

I was hunting for a response,  but  from your Pierce buddy, not you.

 

Pierce is beyond debate so it felt like safe one to use as an example.

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Those goofball Reo Royales are just over-dressed Oldsmobiles--I say we kick them out!

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Posted (edited)

Some people have NO class! 🤬

 

 

Edited by edinmass (see edit history)

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15 minutes ago, edinmass said:

Some people have NO class! 🤬

 

 

 

What took you so long?

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We could argue that a Model J is really a hot rod truck.

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Yes, Ed may be partial to Pierce, but methinks he's been seduced lately by other Sirens in prettier skirts!

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methinks he's been seduced lately by other Sirens in prettier skirts!

 

yep! fire engines.................lol

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Matt, regarding your comment on the Bruick Roadmaster series 70 cars becoming full classics recently. I was on the Classification committee of CCCA at the time. Not only did the 70 series car share body panels with the Cadillac series 62 cars that had been deemed full classics years before , but the engine on the series 70 is the same as the 90 series Limited cars, and the chrome trim ( grille, parking lights, headlamp rims etc ) are all the same was well, even the seat handle adjuster on the front seat is the same as the Cadillac and has the same part number!  ( I  remember being at the CCCA annual meeting in Ga. a few years ago and talking to my friend Bob of Florida who had a Cadillac conv sedan that needed a seat adjusting handle. I  looked at it and told him to expand his search to Buick parts as well as they were the same , and even the part number was the same, and he was quite pleased to know that!) The classification committee has a difficult task , trying to be fair as well as recognize cars and particular models that perhaps have been neglected or now have more information available on them.

I know I spent endless hours/days looking at period material of all sorts for cars made on both sides of the Atlantic for facts to base decisions on. That is the way it should be. When I first joined AACA in 1965 the cut off date for vehicles to be accepted was 1935!  Times and thoughts do change, as do people, and hopefully decisions that are fair and justified are still being made. I still think CCCA is a great club even though I am no longer a part of it.

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I love your Chrysler Matt. The same holds true for the Touring car, as well, but I like all cars. Regardless of the arbitrary nature of each club, the fact is that we all need a club to call home. If we as part of a car fraternity leave any owner, and a fine car, all alone, without a club to call home, then we have failed in most of our stated goals. 

 

Change is implicit. As things change we can either understand it and try to judiciously guide it, or we can rail against any change as being unlike the founders had intended. I try to be open minded about the incremental changes,  as long as it doesn't interfere with the club's goals. I would much rather see a fine car, and it's owner getting their place in the sun. To me it sure beats leaving them homeless.

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True problem is so many great cars, so little capitial. They are all very special and unique their own way. Comparing them all to each other, they all have strengths and weaknesses. There is no one perfect car.......especially pre war.....and most post war also...........I think you need to get to the last twenty years of very low production super cars to get it all in one package. For my taste.........I'm only interested in pre war. To each his own! 👍

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On 3/10/2019 at 12:38 PM, Xander Wildeisen said:

This car was at a show out here a few years ago, is this not a full classic? 

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I think this is a 1933 CQ and it is not a CCCA car. 

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On 3/10/2019 at 1:08 PM, Matt Harwood said:

 

It also helps to have your big brothers, Cord and Duesenberg, put in a good word for you.

Technically speaking, I have not paid too much attention, though I believe if you pop the hood on a 1936-37 Cord the data plate reads  "Auburn Automobile Company" 

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6 minutes ago, John_Mereness said:

Technically speaking, I have not paid too much attention, though I believe if you pop the hood on a 1936-37 Cord the data plate reads  "Auburn Automobile Company" 

 

Yes, but I would argue that references the town, not the marque.....

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If you sit in a Senior Packard or Pierce and then an Auburn or even a Cord the difference in build quality is stark.    Still, I get why both are included.   A club with just Rolls, Duesenberg, Pierce Arrow and Packard would be a pretty small one.  Although I believe that Packard and Cadillac make up 50% of all the cars in the CCCA  (or something like that).

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16 hours ago, alsancle said:

If you sit in a Senior Packard or Pierce and then an Auburn or even a Cord the difference in build quality is stark.    Still, I get why both are included.   A club with just Rolls, Duesenberg, Pierce Arrow and Packard would be a pretty small one.  Although I believe that Packard and Cadillac make up 50% of all the cars in the CCCA  (or something like that).

L-29 or Coffin Nose? 

 

Bob 

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11 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said:

L-29 or Coffin Nose? 

 

Bob 

 I was thinking 810/812,  because I actually had the experience last year of sitting in a 35 12 and then an hour later sitting in a 37 812 and just noticing the build quality differences between the two cars.   I love the 810/812 Cords and think they are undervalued,  but from a "high end quality" perspective they are not the same as a Packard or Pierce.

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I seem to recall an anecdote (and I don't know how true it is) that a group of men from Rolls-Royce visited the Pierce-Arrow factory in the 1920s (maybe scouting for the Springfield facility?) and their only comment was, "How do you gentlemen manage to make any money by building vehicles like this?"

 

To flabbergast a Rolls-Royce engineer with quality and attention to detail is absolutely mind-boggling.

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Hard to imagine someone from Rolls-Royce making that comment. If something that could be fastened quite well with two screws, Rolls would use 12.

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49 minutes ago, Matt Harwood said:

I seem to recall an anecdote (and I don't know how true it is) that a group of men from Rolls-Royce visited the Pierce-Arrow factory in the 1920s (maybe scouting for the Springfield facility?) and their only comment was, "How do you gentlemen manage to make any money by building vehicles like this?"

 

To flabbergast a Rolls-Royce engineer with quality and attention to detail is absolutely mind-boggling.

I'll have to look closer now, guess there is more to them than the Goofy headlights/ Bob 

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If Texas is any indicator of CCCA health adding more cars to the brand hasn't worked too well.  There is no CCCA activity  south of Dallas and Houston with 4 million population can't support a club.  The North Texas CCCA web site is promoting activity's for 2015 and a proposed CARvan for 2016.  When I moved to College Station in 08 I dropped my membership and haven't missed it.  I was never made to feel welcome in the eight years I belonged to the Florida region in spite of owning six classics including a 31 Cadillac V-12 Sport Phaeton that scored 100 points many times over a 25 year period.

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Rolls-Royce worked hard to engineer, promote and generally legendize their brand. After nearly 100 years the crowned the achievement. They sold the whole works to the Germans.

 

Makes one want to believe in justice and conspiracy theories.

 

Just thinking about the general comments on the topic.

 

Bernie

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8 hours ago, 60FlatTop said:

Rolls-Royce worked hard to engineer, promote and generally legendize their brand. After nearly 100 years the crowned the achievement. They sold the whole works to the Germans.

 

Makes one want to believe in justice and conspiracy theories.

 

Just thinking about the general comments on the topic.

 

Bernie

So the battle of Britton isn't over, and the Marshal plan worked a bit too well !

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