gwells Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 From another old car forum. This one ought to be easy due to the unusual inset cowl lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Possibly one of the 6 cyl. Oakland's 1913-14 era ? Greg in Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I thought Oakland as well at first glance. The hubcaps looks like Oakland as well - BUT - the body details don't match, in many details. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
41 Su8 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1914 Oakland model 43. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwells Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 41 Su 8, Not so sure I agree on the Model 43. Look at the major differences in the cowl and base of windshield, as well as the splash aprons. Also fenders differ. The unknown car has a bulb horn and the car pictured has an electric horn. Since the wheels and hubcaps match, I think Oakland is correct, but I believe it's a different model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickelroadster Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) Looks like a big Oakland to me. Edited February 19, 2019 by nickelroadster (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 16 hours ago, nickelroadster said: Looks like a big Oakland to me. There are no matching details - apart from the location of the cowl lamp. Even that is different to the Oakland one. There were quite a few makes used that idea of lamps set into the cowl for 1913. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) We also should not rule out the possibility this is a restyle of an older chassis. Or perhaps a custom body . The styling is remarkably box like except the windshield base. Definitely could be a one-off. Greg in Canada Edited February 19, 2019 by 1912Staver (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, 1912Staver said: We also should not rule out the possibility this is a restyle of an older chassis. Or perhaps a custom body . The styling is remarkably box like except the windshield base. Definitely could be a one-off. Greg in Canada Note even the cowl is different. The Oakland cowl has near vertical sides, the mystery cowl curves out at the top. The valance area - between the body and running board is also quite different. The hubs are different as well. I can't find a good photo of a six cylinder Oakland. The four cylinder may well have had different hubs to the six. The green four cylinder car has 8 hub bolts, the mystery car has six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 They look like Firestone rims . Not uncommon on large high quality cars , however not usually seen on GM products. Greg in Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I found this one on ebay. The photo is captioned on the back "1913 Oakland Model 42". The Model 42 was a four cylinder car on a 116" wheelbase. This car is clearly bigger than that. I reckon it is the big 6-60 on the 130" wheelbase. The car here also has 8 bolt hubs. Maybe someone who is registered with ebay can comment on there, and tell them it is not a Model 42? https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Vintage-Car-Photos-1913-Oakland-Model-42-Automobile-781002-/362025341908?hash=item544a6453d4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 One key here may be the octagon-shaped headlamp bezels....and the radiator looks flat to me, not V-shaped like the Oakland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 As an aside, this page includes a photo which is supposed to be an Oakland six but I think it is not. http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/255412.html?1324654994 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Also on that MTFCA page is this one which could be any one of several makes of that era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 I think 1915 Locomobiles used the octagon headlites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 On 2/19/2019 at 9:31 PM, AHa said: I think 1915 Locomobiles used the octagon headlites. Looks like you called it. I was looking at Locomobiles, but could not find those cowl lamps, but a lot of the features match about a 1914 Locomobile. Similar splash aprons and wheels and hubcaps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 On 2/19/2019 at 2:23 PM, nzcarnerd said: This car is clearly bigger than that. I think it is a fairly small car. Look at the splash apron. It is far shorter than the tourer keiser31 shows: you can see the start of the rear mudguard rising from the running board. I think it is an early roadster size. Tall maybe, but not long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwells Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 The image in my OP came from the Model A section at the Ford Barn forum and a poster there believes he had ID'd the car. "The car in the first photo is a 1913 Locomobile, model 38, little six, roadster. Sold new for $4300. 6 cylinder, 43.8 hp, 128" wheel base. This same car is pictured on page 856 of the second edition of Standard Catalog of American Cars 1805-1942." The photo he references is at the top left on page 894 of my 3rd edition Standard Catalog and is of a quality not worth reproducing here. A better image was found in the Aug 28, 1912 The Horseless Age. While there are some differences between this car and the unknown car (base of windshield splash aprons), I think he's probably correct. It's certainly the closest match yet and has that distinctive curve in the cowl near the inset sidelamp. Wheels and fenders seem also to match up. I suspect one of these images is flipped, as to my eye the first car seems to be LHD and this one is RHD based on the external brake lever.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwells Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 Found another pic of a 1913 Locomobile... and I'd say it also suggests the ID posted in Ford Barn thread is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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