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Hi, I have made a barn find and do not want to say too much about it publicly, please forgive me.  I need advice so I can move before it is gone.  Please message me or call me at 202-674-1445.  Thanks!

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Yes, Amerikanski, please send many dollars for barn find. Much nice cars! Too good to tell about here. Call with credit card numbers and I will tell all!

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Oh yes! Unearthed in an old east coast estate that has been forgotten about for decades! But can’t give any pictures or information.

is there not a way to keep these deadbeats off this site???

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I spoke to him and offered information on both cars. He is legit. He sent me photos, but as a I don’t have permission to share them, I won’t. I gave him numbers of current market buyers on the cars, not sure what he will do.  I have no interest in either car. The “Stutz” is a Blackhawk Sedan. Barn find condition, the Pierce is strictly parts. Just my opinion, but the guy is familiar with old machines and can make his way from what I gave him for information. No, I didn’t offer or want a location on either car, they are near the  coast on the eastern seaboard. He should be fine figuring things out from here. Ed

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37 minutes ago, edinmass said:

 The “Stutz” is a Blackhawk Sedan. 

 

See, I knew that from the very first post.  

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Matt/Mark, I was worried I'd be perceived this way, but I am trying to keep quiet until I decide whether to buy one or both.  Ed said it all.  Both cars are there, I accidentally posted on both threads, only intended to post to Stutz.  Friend's estate, if I don't buy I'll try to help his wife sell.

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I apologize if I branded you mistakenly. But I have run across so many scams in my search for cars and parts it makes a fellow somewhat jaded when a posting like yours appears. I am sure you understand where I am coming from. Best of luck with your pursuit.

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good luck...value varies of course of if it a 6 or 8, customer body, condition, open, closed etc...i hope you get it.

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He ended up buying the Blackhawk. I sent him an application for the Stutz club. His plan is to clean it up and drive it as is.

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Ok, paperwork is all done, so I will post a few poor photos (light not great in barn).  I’ll post more when I get tired that hold air and get it moved to my place. 

 

VIN L6-1-DW-51C

motor 16527

 

deadbeat no more!!

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Nice.  Be sure to join the Stutz club.  Hopefully you can get it running.   First cosmetic task is to get rid of that red paint.

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I don't like the red, but its not just slapped on either. It was well done and appears to be done before the data plate was riveted on.  So, if it was done during some engine overhaul long ago, as far as i am concerned it is part of the history of the car.

 

I could be wrong.

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Maybe we'll find out that red was the signature of a particular overhaul shop or replacement engine provider...

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Take the  drain  plug in the pan out. This  will  give  you an  idea  how  much  crap is  in the  oil. As  a personal  thing , I  always drop the  pan  and  check  all the  engine bearings clearances and  clean  all the  sediment that  may  be in the  pan. LOOK for  any  metal such  as  broken cotter  keys  as  this  would  be  an  indication that  maybe  there is  a loose  nut  somewhere and  not  behind  the  steering  wheel.  Ha  Ha

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Yea, I’ve already been advised to drop the pan, pull the head. I’ll also pull the differential cover, clean/inspect and put in correct oil. Of course gas tank is shiny but full of gunk, rebuild carb...

 

its gonna be a long time before I even think of running it.  Today I am cleaning around it and making a path to the door.  Get it on blocks to remove wheels and get some usablectires/tubes on it. 

 

Im still trying to figure out exactly what I have here...

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couple more photos from today. Mostly cleaning up around the car making a path out of the barn. Taking stock of what is there and what missing.  Have to order new tubes, couldn’t get but one tire to hold air....

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I wouldn't be shocked if the red was original color for the engine.  Stutz liked making their engines "pop", so to speak, and often dressed them up to be flashy....

 

It was an interesting comparison at a recent gathering in Gettysburg, when both Stutz and Marmon clubs had displays of cars.  Stutz very flashy, including engines, and Marmon very sedate, with few exceptions.

 

Nice find, you'd have to be nuts to not like a Stutz.....

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I have never seen a red Stutz engine so I'm  not so sure about that.  Maybe Jason can comment.   I'll admit that on the list of things to do,  I wouldn't make painting the engine a priority.  Stutz is a great marque and even the Blackhawk is considered a full CCCA Classic.   That means it is welcome at all Classic Car Club of America events and would be great to see.

 

That engine with the OHC is about as cool a six banger as you will see in a prewar car.

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I agree with dropping the pan (Olsen's may have a gasket and that could save you a little time https://www.olsonsgaskets.com/).   I have been using Classic Car Club Motor Oil - our CCCA region brews it via D/A. lubricants www.classiccarmotoroil.com/   (sidenote:  It is 40 weight and you may eventually find you have to run the car with 50 weight).    I probably would not check the rod clearance unless upon running it you hear something you do not like or you have low oil pressure.   I also saw someone said pull the head - I would avoid that too for as long as possible.   

 

I would pull the valve cover and make sure that is "clean" and make sure you have no stuck valves.  By the way, best to turn it over for a while with the hand crank verses the starter (I suspect there is a tool box under the front seat or somewhere in front compartment).   Most of the original stuff i have revived I just leave the hand crank in it and turn over for a few minutes every night for a good long while before I ever try to start. 

 

Hopefully engine is not stuck - if it is you can usually get it free (just have to figure out where problem exactly is), but use the hand crank and a lot of care (a local fellow pulled one of his finds around the yard with his lawn tractor and then called crying as ... - lets just say he created a HUGE problem for himself).  For stuck stuff I use an ATF and lacquer thinner combo. 

 

You should also change the transmission fluid and the rear axle fluid.

 

You probably will have to get into the water pump, but I would get it running first (make sure not stuck though).  After getting it running, then I would get into boiling out radiator, replacing hoses, belts, and...)

 

Grease the car (also the shocks probably need oiled too, as well as U joints and ....).

 

I use Penrite Steering Box Lube via www.restorationstuff.com/ 

 

Use a rubberized cork gasket in the vacuum tank - I see a lot of people use paper and paper just does not work.

 

In the tube, flap  and tire department - get whatever suits you (blackwalls, whitewalls, double whitewalls, whatever brand you like and...). Keep in mind the size tire on it could be wrong - for years people used whatever they could find.  When installing I usually put Johnson's baby Power in a garbage bag and drop in tube and flap and give bag a good shake.  I also talc the tire casings - never had a problem in well over 100K miles of AACA and CCCA touring. And, I know you want a survivor car, but replace all 5 tires (I have had a few cars that people never did the 5 and then a few more years goes by and you cannot get X brand any longer and have to replace all or you go to sell and the next buyer dings you on your price - which basically they are just in doing). 

 

Use super care with the carburator - often they have die cast parts.

 

And, I would run it off a gas can to start.

 

Kind of do not mind the red engine :)

 

MAKE SURE YOU LOOK IN EVERY CORNER OF THE GARAGE FOR PARTS - ASK IF THEY HAVE ANY MANUALS FOR IT, ASK FOR THE KEYS, AND ... I have found tools for cars I have bought in the drawer in the kitchen, sitting on the workbench in basement, and ....

 

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Keep all of the advice coming!  I am mostly an antique airplane guy (as was my deceased friend) and I have several airplane projects in the works at the same time.... but I have always LOVED the old cars and could not pass on this one.  It is going to be a while before I can spend much on it.  I need to get it rolling right now to get it home, I am wrestling with the whole buy 5 tire thing mentioned above, so I totally get it.  Right now, three "roller" tires will get me home.  I am enjoying just playing with it now and learning a LOT in the process. I love picking through the parts, I am finding Pierce parts in the back seat, and parts from differing Stutz cars as well (EdinMa is going to be sorry he gave me his number!)  The hand crank was in a sewn pouch next to the rear seat, for some reason.  I pulled lightly, but no budge..I am not going to force it.  I'll put some oil in cylinders and let it sit for a while.  It will be a long time before I even think about starting it, I will not do any damage to it beforehand.

 

I am trying to identify the Pierce parts and gather them to help my friend's wife sell it for a reasonable price, I'm having fun with the Stutz (it has a 1929 Setchell Carlson "Karadio" in it with a remote head, the most bizarre thing I have ever seen!)  I look forward to sharing progress, asking for advice, and begging/trading for parts.

 

Thanks Everyone!

Gene

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As to stuck +rings, valves, lifters(which I believe you do not have), some cars with die cast distributor housings, and water pumps are usually the guilty parties - take the valve cover off and start oiling, as well as down the spark plug holes (again, I am a big fan of Automatic Transmission Fluid and I have added to that such as PB Blaster and also lacquer thinner).  If rings and they do not break free with the hand crank (and do not "stand" on the crank), then you can often put the car in gear and every time you walk by it give it a little shove (Leo Gephart when in Dayton, OH use to have a row of cars with stuck engines and that is what his mechanic taught me - fellow helped me on a couple dozen cars over years too). 

 

Also, if you just want "roller" tires, look for a used set on ebay (I will tell you though an aged "hard" tire is a .... to work with though

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