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OK GUYS AND LADIES, I AM LOOKING AT A CAR IN CALIFORNIA, I AM IN MARYLAND, THE OWNER WANTS DOWN PAYMENT OF $2000,  BALANCE IN 7 DAYS.  I HAVE SENT HIM A QUESTION IF HE WOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD THE CAR WHILE I DO MY HOMEWORK.  WAITING ON REPLY (JUST SENT HIM THE ?)  HAS ANY OF YOU DONE THIS AND HOW DO YOU GET EVERYTHING LINED UP TO MAKE SURE HE GETS HIS MONEY AND I GET MY CAR, ANY HELP WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED, THIS IS MY HOMEWORK THANKS BOB

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There are escrow services out there that might be of interest to you. Be aware there are fraudulent services in addition to the legitimate ones.  

You might also want to find someone near the car to go look at it to ascertain that it actually exists and possibly provide a report of condition.  Many club members are willing to help. Some expect to be paid, others will do it as a favor. You didn't indicate the make, year or model of car you are interested in but it would behoove you to find someone who knows something about the type of car you're interested in rather than one with only general knowledge.

I'm sure others on this forum can offer more suggestions.

 

Wes in VT

 

 

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The transaction count and feedback are important

If count >250 with good feedback risk is low

If count <250 or bad feedback expect trouble.

Either way an airplane ticket or hire some in area to inspect is cheap insurance.

 

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Feedback count is good, but quite often not all that important.  Many people selling cars on eBay have no feedback because they don't sell cars all that often in their everyday life.  What is immensely more important is having someone put eyes on the car, reading the feedback that is there, and asking for references.

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What is your worry, terms of payment or the condition of the car? Many times the terms of payment are standard eBay rules. In this day and age even I can make a coast to coast phone call without a fancy iPhone. Bob 

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 When I bought a car on ebay, I asked for his address and looked it up in Googel and looked at his home.

 I also asked for a pic. of his driver's licence to compare addresses. I also spoke to him on the phone at length to see if he knew any details of the car in question.

 I was satisfied and sent a wire transfer.

 You could ask for a recent photo of the car in his driveway or garage with the door open, taken from the street.

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Maker sure you see the paperwork for the car and that it matches the VIN, a friend of mine got burned on a transaction where there was no paperwork for the car.

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Request a copy of the title (they can photograph it and send it in an email). Name should match seller's name. If it does not, make sure seller gets the title transferred to his name. If you're buying on eBay, pay with a credit card via PayPal. Make sure the hauler has the car in his possession before you pay the credit card bank. Most haulers can send you photos of the pick-up and paperwork, if you request it. On more recent cars, you can run the VIN on the internet to see the car's history.

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Homework should have been done before you bought the car.

 

Case in point- I sold a model A 2 months ago to a guy in Germany. he wtd a bill of sale and all paperwork completed before making payment.

 

needless to say, I didnt sell him the car. He had 7 days for payment and I gave him that. Then went on and sold the car to the next guy.

 

Holding a seller hostage is silly.....

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The never ending talks about Title BS get very tiresome. I'm grateful I live in Connecticut were all titles before 1981 get shredded by the DMV if you bother to bring one along.  Sold a "Parts Car" to a fellow in Italy on eBay years ago, the easiest car sale ever. He did all the work arranging pick up and shipping, 

 

Bob

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2 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

The never ending talks about Title BS get very tiresome. I'm grateful I live in Connecticut were all titles before 1981 get shredded by the DMV if you bother to bring one along.  Sold a "Parts Car" to a fellow in Italy on eBay years ago, the easiest car sale ever. He did all the work arranging pick up and shipping, 

  

Bob

Unfortunately, Connecticut is not the center of the world and most of us live in the real world of no title and it's not a car.  I'm glad you are so lucky.

 

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If your truly worried buy a plane ticket and lay you're own eyes on it. Make sure theres a bank near by that you can get the cash out of if the car is good. That's the only way to be sure. 

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15 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

The never ending talks about Title BS get very tiresome. I'm grateful I live in Connecticut were all titles before 1981 get shredded by the DMV if you bother to bring one along.  Sold a "Parts Car" to a fellow in Italy on eBay years ago, the easiest car sale ever. He did all the work arranging pick up and shipping, 

 

Bob

Personally I wouldn't (and didn't) buy a car from Connecticut because they have no title.  Wherever I have ever lived a title is KING.  In Maryland or Florida that is certainly true.  In Virginia it was slightly easier.  I did buy a car from Alabama once when I lived in Virginia.  I can't remember now if Alabama had started later on issuing titles and he had one, or if he only had a registration card. 

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12 minutes ago, billorn said:

If your truly worried buy a plane ticket and lay you're own eyes on it. Make sure theres a bank near by that you can get the cash out of if the car is good. That's the only way to be sure. 

That's probably the best idea if the asking price of the car can support the cost of a plane ride, rental car and motel room.

I'm scared to death of eBay's guarantee.  I had an issue on a part and got no satisfaction from eBay....and that was only $100.

As for getting a friend to look at the car and the title...that can guarantee your money and the car being there I guess.  But, usually the friend looks at a car different than you do number 1, and number two, as in the last case where I tried that the owner wouldn't let him look by making it too difficult for him to see and drive the car....I didn't buy it and I'm sure even if everything had worked out I'd have been into another one of those things like a boat, which they say is a  hole in the water to throw money into.  At 80, I keep having to pinch myself and tell myself again that I'm too old for another restoration that takes 3, 5, 7 or 9 years.  That said, I've found a new place, too late in life, in Sarasota, FL that can be counted on to get it in, get it out and do a good job at a reasonable price.  By the way, the seller said that car had a three party title.  I offered to pay to get the title in his name and he never said he'd do that either.  I'll tell you, a lot of people don't like dealers, but you go to a dealer with a reputable name, he's got a license to protect, and you will get the car and a title you can register in your state, and that's worth a lot, even if you find something you don't like about the car in the end.

 

 

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22 hours ago, papafarms said:

I AM LOOKING AT A CAR IN CALIFORNIA, I AM IN MARYLAND,

 

That's a long way, couldn't find another in between? Honestly, why that one.

 

I am thinking about the $2000 down. That is somewhere between 10 and 25% I would guess. Depending on what the car is,  a $10,000- 20,000 price range where the risk would be highest. Above and below that range creates a whole different mode.

I would check the zip codes in my marque club roster for someone with a similar car nearby. Usually $200 will get you a very good evaluation.

 

Otherwise, fly out and look at it. That should be easy for $1,000, not a bad price to pay when you remember you have to live with it or find another buyer quickly.

 

Things are quiet here. I would check it over for you at $1,000 per day plus airfare. Could be a credible savings overall, certainly not incredible.

Bernie

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Good responses above. I have bought four cars on Ebay sight unseen, three were good experiences and one was quite bad. I totally agree that all the homework should have been done before you made your bid. You need to have both direct e-mail and phone contacts and by now you should have seen as many photos and verbal info as you needed to have a very good picture of the car and its accompanying paperwork. In this day and age it is not unreasonable to expect dated and detailed walkaround videos of the car starting, running, and driving. Of course the best situation is a personal inspection but if that is not possible at some point you will have trust the seller. IMO a $2000 down payment is quite high, you have to decide if it is a red flag. I use PayPal for the downpayment and wire transfer for the balance, you should get all his personal contact and bank info then call the bank to verify. And lastly you need to see a copy of the cars title plus photos of VIN and engine numbers - No title, no deal. Good luck.

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1 hour ago, 60FlatTop said:

That's a long way, couldn't find another in between? Honestly, why that one.

Because the west has the rust free cars! You live in salt land, right? So you need to find a car that was always garaged and not driven in the winter up there. If you buy a western car, chances are it sat outside all its life and is still rust free!, so way cheaper than the east coast car in the long run for moderate priced cars.

 

Of course, be wary of eastern cars that migrated west, and are now sold as western cars, but have the eastern issues......🤔

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Agree that it's not really fair for you to ask the seller to sit on the car while you do your homework. You should do that before you engage in the purchase process, not in the middle. It's infuriating to me to have guys on eBay hit "Buy It Now" on one of my auctions, not because they want the car at that price but simply to stop the auction so they can buy themselves some time to negotiate and haggle and investigate the car and prevent anyone else from buying it. They give me $1000 via Paypal for the down payment when they hit the button, I give them a week to consummate the deal, but most of the time when we can't come to an agreement, they complain to Paypal and get their money back. It's incredibly frustrating and costs me a lot of money--don't be that guy.

 

I agree with the advice above. Find someone knowledgeable in a club near the car who can go look at it or else go see it yourself and be prepared to buy on the spot. If you have trust issues with the seller, then eyes on the scene is the only way to be sure it's what you want. I will say that most sellers appear to be pretty honest about the cars they're selling but the problem is that they often lack real knowledge. That doesn't really change the end result, but I don't think you have to worry about outright fraud, just ignorance, and if you're dealing with someone with less knowledge than you, it's often possible to guide them to examining things for you if you tell them what to look for or what photos you want taken. Asking them to offer an opinion isn't as helpful as directing them to supply the exact information you want. Most will do it, although, as I said, not because you put the brakes on the transaction in the middle. Be up front and don't treat them as a crook until they have given you evidence that they are a crook (at which point you will walk away anyway). 

 

Treat the seller like he's trustworthy until he proves he isn't. Treat him like he knows less than you and give him guidance to the information you need to make a decision. And as someone pointed out, if the car is junk, that $1000 plane ride will be the best money you ever spent...

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If you buy a car without personally inspecting it,  just be sure not to complain when you are disappointed.   I'm disappointed with the cars I've personally inspected so I can only imagine what happens when somebody else or nobody does it.   I say to myself,  "what the hell was I looking at?".

 

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All of the sight unseen cars don't always turn out poorly.  I sold a 63 Avanti to a fellow out east. He hired Passport to pickup the car.  The driver was very thorough.   It had a clear title in my wifes name.

 About a week after he received the car, he called to tell us how happy he was with it.  His only question was, how do you turn on the headlights ?  Avanti owners know why he had the question.

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With all the free info going out on the sale of the century it would be interesting to see the eBay auction in question. Bob 

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On 2/4/2019 at 9:28 AM, papafarms said:

OK GUYS AND LADIES, I AM LOOKING AT A CAR IN CALIFORNIA, I AM IN MARYLAND, THE OWNER WANTS DOWN PAYMENT OF $2000,  BALANCE IN 7 DAYS.  I HAVE SENT HIM A QUESTION IF HE WOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD THE CAR WHILE I DO MY HOMEWORK.  WAITING ON REPLY (JUST SENT HIM THE ?)  HAS ANY OF YOU DONE THIS AND HOW DO YOU GET EVERYTHING LINED UP TO MAKE SURE HE GETS HIS MONEY AND I GET MY CAR, ANY HELP WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED, THIS IS MY HOMEWORK THANKS BOB

 

 Bob,

 

Your thread title says “ EBay “

 

If you found a car on EBay that you are interested in - the Seller sets the 

terms and conditions of the sale - not you.

 

You agree to buy according to the terms of the auction when you make

an offer or a bid.

 

We are still in the midst of another bad Winter.

 

There are cars waiting to be hauled out of California east.

 

Haulers with experience are not hauling to the Northeast in Winter.

 

 

Jim

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On ‎2‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 5:23 PM, MochetVelo said:

Request a copy of the title (they can photograph it and send it in an email). Name should match seller's name. If it does not, make sure seller gets the title transferred to his name. If you're buying on eBay, pay with a credit card via PayPal. Make sure the hauler has the car in his possession before you pay the credit card bank. Most haulers can send you photos of the pick-up and paperwork, if you request it. On more recent cars, you can run the VIN on the internet to see the car's history.

 

papafarms,  I had a friend and long standing AACA member go the route MochetVelo suggests.  Worked well with peace of mind.  

 

I know most buyer's do not like to disclose much about a subject vehicle to ward off anyone on this forum from buying the vehicle.  However, a location would be very helpful so we could possibly see if there is an AACA Region or Chapter close to the vehicle's location of whom just might go look it over for you (I did this 3 times for people and it worked out fine).

 

Regards,

 

Peter J.

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Here is how vehicles usually exchange ownership that I haul:

 

Seller and Buyer establish TRUST thru direct communication.

 

The condition of the vehicle is fully disclosed by the Seller in writing.

 

This can include images - videos - inspection by third party.

 

It is the responsibility of the Buyer to inquire as to the condition 

of the vehicle and to have the condition verified to their satisfaction.

 

A mechanical inspection by a third party and/or an independent 

comprehensve inspection requested and paid for by the Buyer 

sometimes is performed before purchase.

 

Ownership of vehicle confirmed by copy of valid title provided

to Buyer from Seller ( if applicable ) - not all vehicles have titles

 

Vehicle is paid for in full usually by bank wire transfer.

 

Seller sends title and/or bill of sale to Buyer via mail requiring

signature for delivery confirmation.

 

Then I pick up the vehicle.

 

If Buyer or Seller do not trust each other - do not do business together.

 

I won’t schedule a vehicle for pickup unless it has been paid for in full.

 

I won’t act as an agent for either Seller or Buyer - that is not my job.

 

I usually take a walk around video and/or images on my smartphone 

before loading a vehicle at pick up - once again when loaded in my

trailer - then again at drop off.

 

Sometimes I will take paperwork ( including title and/or bill of sale )

but I advise exchanging that as I have outlined above.

 

 

Jim

 

 

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Your point about direct communication is critical.  You need to talk to the seller (or buyer) and be sure you are comfortable.  Also,  almost everyone has some sort of internet footprint that tells tales and can confirm background info.   For example,  does the seller actually live where he says he does?

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