40hp or larger chassis wtd

[mercer09 425]

looking for a 40 hp or larger chassis complete

 

up to 1914.

 

what do you have?

 

rdz69@aol.com

[edinmass 1,218]

There was a 1913 Cadillac chassis posted somewhere recently. Did you see it?

[mercer09 425]

I did not Ed. Do the Cads put out that much HP?

 

was under the impression that they were around 30 hp.

 

want to buy something relatively complete, except for body.

[just me 11]

1913-14 Cadillac four cylinder are rated 48 hp.

 

Charley

[edinmass 1,218]

9 hours ago, just me said:

1913-14 Cadillac four cylinder are rated 48 hp.

 

Charley

 

Charley is correct!

[mercer09 425]

well, I would be interested if anyone finds it...............

[edinmass 1,218]

Can’t remember where I saw it. 

[nzcarnerd 463]

There is horsepower and horsepower. Even the term 'rated' for the 1913-14 Cadillac is confusing because it has the same cylinder bore as the previous models, so developed more hp than the older models even though it was still a 30 hp. 48 hp was its actual developed power output.

 

I am not sure of the exact origins of the use of horsepower - as it applies to cars - because not many makers had dynamometers to measure the actual output of their cars. Right from the start hp figures were used to describe cars - usually at about 8 hp/litre, although the bigger ones often made less - for example the 60 hp Mercedes of 1903 was actually 9.2 litres, and the 60 hp Americans of the circa 1910 era were all over 10 litres.

 

The 'tax' horsepower system of 2.5 times the bore times the number of cylinders divided by 2.5 was only used in the UK to actually tax cars as far as I know, although the NACC in the US used it for comparisons. It took no account of the cylinder stroke of course, and that lead, in the UK where it was introduced in the early 1920s, to a whole generation of small bore, long stroke, engines. The Ford T ahs the unique distinction of being the only engine that was taxed at a higher rate (22 hp)  than it actually developed.

 

I think the original poster in the thread was simply looking for a big old chassis.

[nzcarnerd 463]

To add to the confusion - check out these two pages.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_horsepower

 

 

[kfle 78]

On ‎1‎/‎31‎/‎2019 at 7:30 AM, mercer09 said:

looking for a 40 hp or larger chassis complete

 

up to 1914.

 

what do you have?

 

rdz69@aol.com

I know of a 1912 Cole 30/40 Chassis in California that has two engines with it that could be for sale.  The person that has it, bought it for a speedster/race car project but never got around to building it.  I have not seen it myself, but know of it and who has it.  The Cole 30/40 was 122" wheel base 42HP and was popular for stock racing and hill climbs.  All Cole 2 person speedsters were tested on the Indy speedway and guaranteed to go 65mph.  

[Larry Schramm 1,663]

On ‎2‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 10:11 AM, mercer09 said:

well, I would be interested if anyone finds it...............

 

Try Charlie Kulcher outside of Cleveland.  He might be able to help.

Edited Saturday at 05:10 PM by Larry Schramm (see edit history)

[mercer09 425]

thank you. maybe I should have specified cubic inches..............

 

I understand ratings were often way off, just looking for a chassis with an engine that will allow it to cruise a comfortable 65mph. so obviously a 4 spd might be better then a 3 spd.