mercer09 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 looking for a 40 hp or larger chassis complete up to 1914. what do you have? rdz69@aol.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 There was a 1913 Cadillac chassis posted somewhere recently. Did you see it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 I did not Ed. Do the Cads put out that much HP? was under the impression that they were around 30 hp. want to buy something relatively complete, except for body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just me Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1913-14 Cadillac four cylinder are rated 48 hp. Charley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 9 hours ago, just me said: 1913-14 Cadillac four cylinder are rated 48 hp. Charley Charley is correct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 well, I would be interested if anyone finds it............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Can’t remember where I saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 There is horsepower and horsepower. Even the term 'rated' for the 1913-14 Cadillac is confusing because it has the same cylinder bore as the previous models, so developed more hp than the older models even though it was still a 30 hp. 48 hp was its actual developed power output. I am not sure of the exact origins of the use of horsepower - as it applies to cars - because not many makers had dynamometers to measure the actual output of their cars. Right from the start hp figures were used to describe cars - usually at about 8 hp/litre, although the bigger ones often made less - for example the 60 hp Mercedes of 1903 was actually 9.2 litres, and the 60 hp Americans of the circa 1910 era were all over 10 litres. The 'tax' horsepower system of 2.5 times the bore times the number of cylinders divided by 2.5 was only used in the UK to actually tax cars as far as I know, although the NACC in the US used it for comparisons. It took no account of the cylinder stroke of course, and that lead, in the UK where it was introduced in the early 1920s, to a whole generation of small bore, long stroke, engines. The Ford T has the unique distinction of being the only engine that was taxed at a higher rate (22 hp) than it actually developed. I think the original poster in the thread was simply looking for a big old chassis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 To add to the confusion - check out these two pages. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_horsepower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfle Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 On 1/31/2019 at 7:30 AM, mercer09 said: looking for a 40 hp or larger chassis complete up to 1914. what do you have? rdz69@aol.com I know of a 1912 Cole 30/40 Chassis in California that has two engines with it that could be for sale. The person that has it, bought it for a speedster/race car project but never got around to building it. I have not seen it myself, but know of it and who has it. The Cole 30/40 was 122" wheel base 42HP and was popular for stock racing and hill climbs. All Cole 2 person speedsters were tested on the Indy speedway and guaranteed to go 65mph. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) On 2/7/2019 at 10:11 AM, mercer09 said: well, I would be interested if anyone finds it............... Try Charlie Kulcher outside of Cleveland. He might be able to help. Edited February 16, 2019 by Larry Schramm (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 thank you. maybe I should have specified cubic inches.............. I understand ratings were often way off, just looking for a chassis with an engine that will allow it to cruise a comfortable 65mph. so obviously a 4 spd might be better then a 3 spd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pre10 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 "Cruise a comfortable 65mph" You are going to need something bigger than 40hp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gossp Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 hours ago, pre10 said: "Cruise a comfortable 65mph" You are going to need something bigger than 40hp. Nah, if geared right with next to no body, you can get those speeds comfortably out of a lot less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 still looking.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAK Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 You need a steam car! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted March 23, 2019 Author Share Posted March 23, 2019 out of my budget JAK, though Ive been told that before............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 I have several 1916 and 1917 Kissel model 6-38 and 6-45 frames and 6-38 engines in various stages of rust that I’ve amassed thru the years. I’ll mever get to them all. They are restorable if you have the time. Lots of 6-38 spare parts. Sorry, nothing earlier. These were 60 HP beasts, custom made. If interested, PM me. Ron Hausmann P.E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted April 11, 2019 Author Share Posted April 11, 2019 RON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW YOU HAVE ME THINKING........... I dont want to assemble a bunch of parts, because in the end, I will be upside down. I am looking for a complete chassis, but like the idea of something in the late teens with higher hp to get to where Im trying to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modela28 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 That last picture looks like about a 1911 or 1912 American Underslung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted October 31, 2019 Author Share Posted October 31, 2019 still looking and thanks for all of the leads...................... I will find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted November 10, 2019 Author Share Posted November 10, 2019 still looking................................... I know theyre out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted February 28, 2020 Author Share Posted February 28, 2020 to the top! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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