23crate Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 hi everyone .. im looking for a bit of help with my project .. as the title suggests, im hoping someone can help me locate a pair of screen posts, and the 2nd thing im looking for is.. How wide is the body on a roadster at the back of the doors please?? all I have is a cowl .. but I do have a rotten old coupe body (with no trunk at all) that may be able to contribute to the roadster project any thing would be great !! thanks Al 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Just saying my thoughts, I would also keep an eye out for a donor coupe body and save the leather-back coupe. I have a very similar body in my back yard, but my leather back coupe has not been cut. Have you verified the engine number to make sure you have a 1923 and not a 1922? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23crate Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, alsfarms said: Just saying my thoughts, I would also keep an eye out for a donor coupe body and save the leather-back coupe. I have a very similar body in my back yard, but my leather back coupe has not been cut. Have you verified the engine number to make sure you have a 1923 and not a 1922? are the leatherbacks rare in the US?? Its my understanding \, that only 26 of my coupe were imported into New Zealand way back in the 1920's so parts here are very hard to come by. when i first got it (leatherback) I verified the age via the engine number as being a 23.. the frame was too rusted out to confirm ( if there is a visible difference between the 2 years . I be happy to say its a 22 --) a chap I I know offered as much as I paid for the whole thing for the chassis and running gear. ive seriously considered rodding this one because unless I can get a tub/trunk from another one despite my previous career choice as a bodyman it will never be an original perfect coupe.. but having the roadster cowl is an appealing option.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Are you sure you have a '23 cowl? It looks to have square bottom doors. If it does, it is a '24-'26. '23 and earlier open DB's had round bottom doors. Late '22 and '23 are all by themselves. Roadsters used different doors and hinges than touring cars. The cowls will not interchange until 1924. Then the doors are the same for all open cars '24-27. '23 had outside door handles on open cars for the first time (includes late '22). The windshield posts are different from '24 and later though they look similar. Early '22 and earlier cowls and posts are completely different. '23 still used the 114" wb curved frame whereas '24-'27 used the heavier 116" wb straight frame rails. Different everything. I have some of each models. Hope this helps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23crate Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) Dwollam,, definitely round door bottoms on the cowl hinges are definitely inside the bodywork ... just found this post while searching google for an example - doors as shown here https://forums.aaca.org/topic/282477-fs-pre-1923-dodge-brothers-touring-doors/ on the passengers side of the firewall there is a body number stamped that reads "577007" a thing I thought odd as well, was the factory screen mount support - where screen posts bolt to- seem to allow a reasonable slope backwards . I always thought the screen was more-or-less vertical :: any more help to id the cowl would be great ! oh did I mention im looking for screen posts?? thanks Alex Edited February 1, 2019 by 23crate (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE SOTO Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Looks like '22-'23 to me with the Dog Leg bend in the sub rail at firewall. Get me the I.D. & Length of the tube the screen stands slide into, If you don't require 100% Original i'm sure i have some Dodge stands available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23crate Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 5 hours ago, DE SOTO said: Thanks DeSoto.. existing mounts ' are 3 /12" long, ID of 7/8" or (91mm x 23mm id) thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 23crate, Those doors referred to above are not DB doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 23crate, measure the up and down width of the hinge pocket in your cowl to determine if it is a touring or roadster cowl. They are different. I have real roadster doors and also touring doors. All '23 and earlier DB roadster can use the same door. '20-'23 Touring takes a different door and the hinges are different and won't interchange. '14-'19 touring doors are different as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Hi Rick! Are you going to put that 22-23 roadster together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) Here are pics of '23 roadster windshield and door hinges. Edited February 2, 2019 by dwollam (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 As Dave said roadster doors are different. I think they are 2 1/4 longer and the back of the cab is wider then touring too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 More pics. This dash is Touring as evidenced by the cutout for the steering column. Roadster has no cutout as steering wheel is lower and seat is farther back. Correct dash is laying in seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23crate Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, dwollam said: 23crate, measure the up and down width of the hinge pocket in your cowl to determine if it is a touring or roadster cowl. They are different. I have real roadster doors and also touring doors. All '23 and earlier DB roadster can use the same door. '20-'23 Touring takes a different door and the hinges are different and won't interchange. '14-'19 touring doors are different as well. ok ..here goes... vertical - height 1 1/2" width 1 5/8" depth of pocket 1 1/8" am I right in thinking Roadster doors are 2" longer than Tourer .. and they so different Tourer doors cant be "adjusted " to fit a Roady by a skilled bodyman .. (such as myself :-)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23crate Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, nearchoclatetown said: As Dave said roadster doors are different. I think they are 2 1/4 longer and the back of the cab is wider then touring too. Cool I had read the doors were a different length ,, My 23 Coupe is around 4 - 5" wider at the top of the rear door... I understand the roadster is 49" at this point .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 See how small the cast hinge is? That's alot smaller than the stamped hinge of the touring car that's the 1 1/2" you measured. If you are just building the rest of the body and are not worried about it being stock, just use 20-23 touring car doors. They are much better doors and hinges! I get $250-$350 each for roadster doors. 20-23 touring doors are $125-$150. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 23crate, Are you in New Zealand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23crate Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 great pics Dwollam .. mine didn't come with dash just a hole,, its good to know difference though !.. lots to work through ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23crate Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 Just now, dwollam said: 23crate, Are you in New Zealand? yes sure am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 And fat guys can't get in a roadster from the driver's side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 here is a 14-19 touring door and a 24-27 door. 24-27 door is upside down but look at the difference in the hinges. 20-23 touring hinges are pretty much like that except of course the door is round bottom similar to the 14-19 door. All 14--23 roadster doors use the skinny cast hinges and a separate screwed on door top. 20-23 touring and all 24-27 open car doors are one piece including the top of door. hinge distance apart between cast hinges and stamped hinges are different too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Then I'm skinny Doug!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Can you show pics of the dash and hinge area of your cowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23crate Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Yep, late 22-23 touring car cowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23crate Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 .. liking the sound of tourer doors at this stage.. also I suspect its a tourer cowl.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) There is a roadster in California that has a touring cowl and doors (shorter) with a roadster rear section. They slid the body forward to sorta match up to the doors and did a filler plate behind the trunk to hide the gap. Doors are curved different up and down considerably but they made it work. Looks a bit different but it is a running driving car! Edited February 2, 2019 by dwollam (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 That cowl will of course fit that coupe chassis you showed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Come on over and I'll sell ya that 23 roadster or I also have another that is 17-22 that's available. Just a short drive right?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) Sent you a PM too. (private message) Edited February 2, 2019 by dwollam (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23crate Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 hour ago, dwollam said: There is a roadster in California that has a touring cowl and doors (shorter) with a roadster rear section. They slid the body forward to sorta match up to the doors and did a filler plate behind the trunk to hide the gap. Doors are curved different up and down considerably but they made it work. Looks a bit different but it is a running driving car! wow sounds like a lot of work !,, id be more inclined maybe to re-shape the doors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Scafani Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Rounded bottom doors and the lack of embossing in the firewall scream 1922. Roadster doors are the same 1915-1922. I have not seen a 1923 roadster door with an outside handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE SOTO Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 On 2/2/2019 at 1:07 PM, 23crate said: Thanks DeSoto.. existing mounts ' are 3 /12" long, ID of 7/8" or (91mm x 23mm id) thanks Just saw your reply .... Ill have a look tomorrow, I've made enough noise for 1 evening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 On 2/3/2019 at 9:07 PM, Bob Scafani said: Rounded bottom doors and the lack of embossing in the firewall scream 1922. Roadster doors are the same 1915-1922. I have not seen a 1923 roadster door with an outside handle. Bob, this is a '23, note door handle. All '23 open cars had outside door handles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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