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Well MotorTrend has just cancelled one of the few shows worth watching, Dan Short and Fantomworks. Maybe it was his dedication to safety rather than monster wheels on lifted truck or  bolt-together creations on an Art Morrison chassis, or comparison of interesting beards. There are a few of us who still use a razor.

 

BJ I mostly put on DVR and 3X unless something interesting or silly shows up.

 

This really just leaves Wayne and Chasing Classic Cars though I really have no interest in multi-million dollar barn finds. Are there any  "real" shows left.

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That's a shame, I too liked that show.   Maybe we should write to MotorTrend TV.?

It worked for me when "Barney Miller" was cancelled.  They brought it back and it ran several years.

 

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No loss for me, I find it too be just a tad too dramatic, (the countdown when he is locking up the brakes borderlines on being hysterical, is right up there when he give the bill with the surprise, NOBODY DOES THAT, cash flows constantly on any of those projects, once the money stops the car goes to storage or is returned because they are always ahead of the cash flow) I also always wonder why as a businessman he is all ticked off on a finding a big dollar extra and he was not even doing the physical work, just collecting the check.  I have a tough time making through an episode, before I hit the remote or take a nap. I do find it better then most of the stuff they put before us.

There really was nothing that left that shop that was impressive, really just cruise night specials

 

30 minutes ago, padgett said:

 Maybe it was his dedication to safety

 

I don't know if is dedicated to safety as much as he is dedicated to selling safety aspect to make money. 

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I also liked Fantomworks more than the other 'reality' auto shows currently available.  One of the things I liked about the show was that the star didn't sport numerous tats, piercings etc. in some lame attempt to look "badash".

 

Cheers,

Grog

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REALLY?????????? Seriously would you give that guy a car to work on? NOBODY could run a restoration shop with his billing system. Owner sits down in his fake '50's diner and gets a tally of a gazillion hours labor and parts and a $125,000.00 bill and then smiles and just askes to see it. Four flat spotted tires so it "passed" the brake test. No loss, far better shows will fill the time slot. I always felt bad for the employees, I don't think the building had heat. 

 

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42 minutes ago, padgett said:

Well MotorTrend has just cancelled one of the few shows worth watching, Dan Short and Fantomworks. Maybe it was his dedication to safety rather than monster wheels on lifted truck or  bolt-together creations on an Art Morrison chassis, or comparison of interesting beards. There are a few of us who still use a razor.

 

BJ I mostly put on DVR and 3X unless something interesting or silly shows up.

 

This really just leaves Wayne and Chasing Classic Cars though I really have no interest in multi-million dollar barn finds. Are there any  "real" shows left.

 Flat spotting tires for safety??????

 Does anyone remember the hack job on the 1966 VW????? 

 I will ask this AGAIN. What happened to the show the AACA guys were in?????

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34 minutes ago, padgett said:

This really just leaves Wayne and Chasing Classic Cars though I really have no interest in multi-million dollar barn finds. Are there any  "real" shows left.

 

I am a harsh critic of the cable TV cars shows and do not watch very many.  I liked Fantomworks more than most and I like Chasing Classic Cars but it is indeed a step above most of our old car experiences. 

 

I despise Fast & Loud and the (many) others of that ilk with tattoos, yelling, swearing, dramatic deadlines, blatant profiteering, etc. 

 

My favorite is Wheeler Dealers.  I know the British host can be a bit annoying to some, referencing spanners and petrol and such, but I like the format and I like the shop segments FAR more than most.  They show a quiet, purposeful one man workshop covering a wide range of mechanical and cosmetic work plus the occasional venture to a professional service to see how specialty work is done.  Informative and not (usually) insulting even to an experienced hobbyist, Todd C   

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The show was one of the best.run and stop was his concerns,mine as well.He was also concerned about original car's.

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I think Fantomworks will be glad to have the cameras gone. I bet that took a lot of time away from doing their real work.

 

Also, the thing that annoyed me about that show was that the guy would bring his car in and say his budget was, say, $10,000. Then they get in there and find all kinds of problems and do a huge amount of work. At the end, the guy comes in and Dan gives him the bill: "Well, I know you only wanted the hood repainted and a new bumper installed, but we found some extra rust and the suspension was bent and the engine threw a rod and the whole interior was wrong. You said your budget was $10,000 but we have 9000 hours in the project and about $12,000 worth of parts, so here's the actual bill."

 

**hands customer bill for $68,000**

 

Customer: "Well, gosh, that's a lot of money. I didn't expect all that and it's a lot more than I wanted to spend. But I really like the car, so it's OK."

 

I have just one question: Is this endless line of suckers walking into everyone else's restoration shop, too?

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The whole "invoice" thing was TV stuff.  I liked that he mentioned the price and timeline on some of the builds.  Nice reality check for the novice guys that think a car can be built for 20 grand or in a week.  

 

 The drama was added for TV also.  Coming from a restorer I thought it was a decent show.  Their customer base isn't Pebble but more of the cruise in crowd and it appeared they do a good job for that market.  

 

I work on a lot of high end cars from auctions and  purchased from some big name collectors including Premiere AACA jobs and a lot of them won't drive around the block safely if they make it at all.   It's pretty regular in my world to inspect an auction special and end up with full brake job, transmission rebuild, clutch, wiring repair, and more.  It would blow your mind how poorly most of these cars are setup.  Brass cars all the way up to the late 50's.  Seems like most of the cars just don't get sorted out.  

 

I also liked the fact that Dan would jump right in and get to work instead of holding a cup of coffee or run a comb through his beard.  

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3 hours ago, poci1957 said:

 

I am a harsh critic of the cable TV cars shows and do not watch very many.  I liked Fantomworks more than most and I like Chasing Classic Cars but it is indeed a step above most of our old car experiences. 

 

I despise Fast & Loud and the (many) others of that ilk with tattoos, yelling, swearing, dramatic deadlines, blatant profiteering, etc. 

 

My favorite is Wheeler Dealers.  I know the British host can be a bit annoying to some, referencing spanners and petrol and such, but I like the format and I like the shop segments FAR more than most.  They show a quiet, purposeful one man workshop covering a wide range of mechanical and cosmetic work plus the occasional venture to a professional service to see how specialty work is done.  Informative and not (usually) insulting even to an experienced hobbyist, Todd C   

I liked Wheeler Dealers too...…..Then Ed China left the series.

ED CHINA WAS Wheeler Dealers. No Ed China, No Wheeler dealers.

  Also, all the early shows were in England and I liked seeing something different and how they do things in the UK and seeing the cottage restoration industry of parts supply, parts repair, plus rules and regulations that are different than the states. They seemed to have a better level of respect for each other and the language is much more civilized.

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1 minute ago, Pfeil said:

I liked Wheeler Dealers too...…..Then Ed China left the series.

ED CHINA WAS Wheeler Dealers. No Ed China, No Wheeler dealers.

  Also, all the early shows were in England and I liked seeing something different and how they do things in the UK and seeing the cottage restoration industry of parts supply, parts repair, plus rules and regulations that are different than the states. They seemed to have a better level of respect for each other and the language is much more civilized.

 

That was my initial concern as I also enjoyed Edd.  But turns out I like the new guy well enough too, although I would welcome a new show with Edd anytime.

 

I liked the earlier Britishness too, but even after the move to California this show does not have the swearing and shouting of other TV car shows, Todd C  

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6 minutes ago, old car fan said:

RESTORATION GARAGE IS GOOD AS WELL

 Have you seen some of the cars that have been sold out of that place? There have been a few in Hemmings. Also, I'm not into tractors.

 

Here is the IMBb review says;

It's all about shop floor drama, gas fueled egos, and millions of dollars at stake. An oil drenched, history soaked, paint splattered garage where the dreams of lofty aficionados and grease monkey gear-heads meet. Car restoration and customization is a multi billion dollar industry worldwide. And everybody who brings their car to the Guild has the same dream. Whether it's a rare vintage Lancia, in for a complete restoration or a '67 Chevy booked for "go faster" stripes, every driver wants to be behind that wheel as soon as possible and turn every head on the road. But running such a specialized and demanding business isn't always smooth sailing, or driving...

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4 minutes ago, poci1957 said:

 

That was my initial concern as I also enjoyed Edd.  But turns out I like the new guy well enough too, although I would welcome a new show with Edd anytime.

 

I liked the earlier Britishness too, but even after the move to California this show does not have the swearing and shouting of other TV car shows, Todd C  

 I wonder if Adam is going to bring in his new bride Christina El Moussa in to do interior renovations and restorations.

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6 minutes ago, Pfeil said:

 Here is the IMBb review says;

It's all about shop floor drama, gas fueled egos, and millions of dollars at stake. An oil drenched, history soaked, paint splattered garage where the dreams of lofty aficionados and grease monkey gear-heads meet. Car restoration and customization is a multi billion dollar industry worldwide............... But running such a specialized and demanding business isn't always smooth sailing, or driving...

 

I saw a few episodes and must say I liked it more than this annoying description would have me expect.  But to avoid the "...drama (and) gas fueled egos" I watch on fast forward just in case, Todd C

 

PS--never heard of Ant's Christina El Moussa until now but she is certainly good looking

 

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21 minutes ago, Pfeil said:

 Have you seen some of the cars that have been sold out of that place? There have been a few in Hemmings. Also, I'm not into tractors.

 

Here is the IMBb review says;

It's all about shop floor drama, gas fueled egos, and millions of dollars at stake. An oil drenched, history soaked, paint splattered garage where the dreams of lofty aficionados and grease monkey gear-heads meet. Car restoration and customization is a multi billion dollar industry worldwide. And everybody who brings their car to the Guild has the same dream. Whether it's a rare vintage Lancia, in for a complete restoration or a '67 Chevy booked for "go faster" stripes, every driver wants to be behind that wheel as soon as possible and turn every head on the road. But running such a specialized and demanding business isn't always smooth sailing, or driving...

 

And the guy who owns the place isn't nearly as charming or cute or witty or quirky as he thinks he is with his ugly shirts and non-sense of humor.

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1 hour ago, poci1957 said:

 

 

 

PS--never heard of Ant's Christina El Moussa until now but she is certainly good looking

 

Christina would certainly add some interest to the show. And now that you know who she is does that mean you'll be watching her show Flip or Flop? Don't be shy Todd. You can tell us. 

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As far as I'm concerned, Fantom Works could sometimes hold my interest where others might not because of ONE thing:  Dan Short is willing to restore cars that you never see on other TV shows with a similar theme.  One guy brought in a '39 Hudson convertible and wanted it restored to original condition.  Another guy had a "39 La Salle convertible.  A couple brought in a '50 Buick Super 4-door sedan.  I saw a '60 Lincoln 4-door, and I even saw a '54 Chrysler Imperial 4-door sedan.  I saw numerous Ford & Chevrolet pickups from the 1950s come through FW's shop.  Now, some of these vehicles were not treated to full restorations - most of them were simply refurbished to the point of being presentable and functional.

 

Still, I give them credit for showcasing antique cars that you would NEVER see on Bitchin' Rides, Wrench'd, Fast 'N Loud, or the countless myriad of others, including Wayne Carini's Chasing Classic Cars.  I get tired of seeing Wayne find these fantastic classics from the 1920s and 30s, where he says he has always wanted one of these, blah blah blah.  One in particular that irked me on CCC was where he found that 1921 Stutz Bearcat Roadster in a shed in Georgia.  The car had not run since the 1930s, but it was in remarkable shape, nonetheless.  After buying the car, and getting it running, he drove it around some.  It is a FANTASTIC car.  After owning it just a few months, he decides he should sell it because he has enjoyed it all that he needs to.  I simply could not believe he sold that car after his saying he had never owned one, and he wanted this one for his private collection.  I just get sick of watching these shows where everything is about money.  It's the real world, I get it.  Everything really is about money, I guess, but I really don't enjoy being reminded of it all the time.  I can't watch the Barrett-Jackson auctions because of this.

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26 minutes ago, Pfeil said:

Christina would certainly add some interest to the show. And now that you know who she is does that mean you'll be watching her show Flip or Flop? Don't be shy Todd. You can tell us. 

 

Seems like a quandary—hot blonde good, tolerate another reality show not so good.  I am afraid not.  Unless she can really do car upholstery...........

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I'm in the business of marketing and advertising automotive clients' businesses. And with the steep decline in print magazines, TV and online stuff is where we have to look continually. I am always trying to figure out where to spend a clients' budget, and which automotive shows the "right" viewers are watching. 

 

Unlike advertisements in print magazines, it's fairly difficult to know in advance how many viewers any TV program REALLY has, and it's also more difficult to monitor the results of ads you place. With the cost of advertising on automotive TV shows, the decisions can be intimidating, indeed. 

 

Another challenge to be faced as we critique these automotive TV shows, is the absolute necessity of attracting younger viewers. The fact is that 20-somethings don't enjoy the same things most of us here do, and not in the same ways, either. TV producers try to reach younger audiences by appealing to younger audiences, with tattoos, wild cars, etc, etc. And since people today are indeed into "instant gratification," it's hard for many of them to get enthused about taking on a car-build project that will likely take them 5 or more years. 

 

I could go on and on. Working with this stuff for a living certainly reveals some insights into the world of automotive TV shows...I promise you that. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Dosmo said:

I just get sick of watching these shows where everything is about money. It's the real world, I get it. Everything really is about money, I guess, but I really don't enjoy being reminded of it all the time. I can't watch the Barrett-Jackson auctions because of this.

 

 

Agree 100%. When I got involved in the hobby in the middle '60s, old car people loved the cars, loved driving and working on them, and appreciated their historical context. When some cars starting bringing stupid money, it brought in enthusiasts for whom a car's value was the primary (in some cases, sole) reason for their 'enthusiasm.'

 

All the fake drama inserted into almost all of the TV car shows also turns me off big-time. I remarked to Donald Osborne the last time I was at Amelia that I no longer watched Leno's show because of this.

The lack of manufactured drama was one of the nice things about CCC, and I liked occasionally seeing people I knew on the show (Don Peterson was in the shot for a good while during one of the Bugatti auctions a couple of years ago.) But knowing what I know now about the Roger Barr situation (he'll no longer be on the show, I am told), CCC is probably going to be crossed off my watch list, too.

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Interesting points of view. I generally turn the TV on in the afternoon and just put it in pause until it overflows.  Then 3X the commercials I've already seen and the uninteresting stuff. Since just one of my cars lacks ABS (even the 88 has and I like it particularly in a monsoon)) I can't slide the tires. Judge does get interesting with all four locked up.

 

For me it is not about the  money, rather the garage space (shouldn't have bought the last one but was too cheap, too nice, and too interesting to pass up). All are transportation, lifestyle, hobbies, and toys. Will admit that only my tow car has four doors.

 

So doubt that am the demographic they are looking for (not sure who is) but then MotorTrend seems to be trying to outdo Hot Rod & Rod & Custom so maybe rich millennials with no sense of hygiene.

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7 minutes ago, lump said:

Working with this stuff for a living certainly reveals some insights into the world of automotive TV shows... I promise you that. 

 

 

Yeah, it's all about numbers and eyeballs in almost all media these days.

 

It's kind of like negative political ads... few candidates actually like to utilize them, but history says they work so everyone does.

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4 minutes ago, gwells said:

 

Agree 100%. When I got involved in the hobby in the middle '60s, old car people loved the cars, loved driving and working on them, and appreciated their historical context. When some cars starting bringing stupid money, it brought in enthusiasts for whom a car's value was the primary (in some cases, sole) reason for their 'enthusiasm.'

 

All the fake drama inserted into almost all of the TV car shows also turns me off big-time. I remarked to Donald Osborne the last time I was at Amelia that I no longer watched Leno's show because of this.

The lack of manufactured drama was one of the nice things about CCC, and I liked occasionally seeing people I knew on the show (Don Peterson was in the shot for a good while during one of the Bugatti auctions a couple of years ago.) But knowing what I know now about the Roger Barr situation (he'll no longer be on the show, I am told), CCC is probably going to be crossed off my watch list, too.

Can you elaborate on Rodger Barr????? To me Roger is a gem and a big asset. I only wish he would use the lift instead of that creeper. Makes my neck ache.  

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