1935Packard Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Interesting data points: 1934 Packard Twelve 1108 Touring Coachwork by Rollston Estimate: $300,000 - $350,000 Without Reserve SOLD $201,600 1939 Packard Twelve 1708 Convertible Sedan Estimate: $200,000 - $250,000 Without Reserve SOLD $106,400 1934 Packard Super Eight Phaeton Estimate: $180,000 – $240,000 Without Reserve SOLD For $156,800 1937 Packard Super Eight Coupe Estimate: $100,000 – $125,000 Without Reserve SOLD For $106,400 1934 Packard Eight 2/4-Passenger Coupe Estimate: $100,000 – $125,000 Without Reserve SOLD For $100,800 Maybe just some screaming deals, or maybe the market softening, or maybe some of these cars weren't what they seemed, at least for the first few cars on this list. Curious if anyone has insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I think that 1934 Super Eight phaeton had some pedigree issues, or it would definitely had hit its pre-auction estimates. Collector car dealers cannot keep these cars on the lot, as everybody and their brother is wanting a Super Eight phaeton or convertible coupe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 The 1937 Super Eight Coupe is a very nice car that was a great car before restoration, had an incredibly well done comprehensive restoration, and that also has held up well over time - and actually drove down road "super" well. I fixed a couple of things on it in early 2000's when it was in an estate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 The Rollston was not attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 5 hours ago, alsancle said: The Rollston was not attractive. Looks like it was made for the top hat crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1935Packard Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) On 1/27/2019 at 1:37 AM, alsancle said: The Rollston was not attractive. I wondered about authenticity, too. It's an odd-looking one-off with no known history, or at least no stated known history in the description. Maybe it's the real deal, but I wondered. Seemed sort of like this "Rollston." Edited January 30, 2019 by 1935Packard (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I'm always left wondering when a sales or auction description is lacking in provenance. Rudy Creteur was around a long time and he had all the Rollston build records. I know there was some issue with records going missing and not sure where they all ended up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Btw, for many years this car was presented as a Rollston bodied DV32. If you sat in it and tried to turn the steering wheel your knuckles would bang the windshield. There is a nice article from a regional CCCA magazine in the 60s where the owner described chopping a stock SV16 to create this car. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) On 1/30/2019 at 1:35 AM, 1935Packard said: I wondered about authenticity, too. It's an odd-looking one-off with no known history, or at least no stated known history in the description. Maybe it's the real deal, but I wondered. Seemed sort of like this "Rollston." I would say you were looking at someone's earlier Rollston body grafted to a 34 Chassis given such as the 1929 style windwings and top - may be period though done in 34 (someone paid a chunk of change for the body to begin with and it was too important for them to toss to the used car lot). I guess someone could have had it built from scratch in 1934, though it would have been a chunk of change for 34 too and given popularity of a coupe convertible/Coupe-Roadster would have been better off with such as a Custom Dietrich. Edited February 1, 2019 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) On 1/30/2019 at 9:10 AM, alsancle said: Btw, for many years this car was presented as a Rollston bodied DV32. If you sat in it and tried to turn the steering wheel your knuckles would bang the windshield. There is a nice article from a regional CCCA magazine in the 60s where the owner described chopping a stock SV16 to create this car. We have had a couple of cars now that have seriously scraped windshields from people running rings/diamonds into them. Edited February 1, 2019 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 8 hours ago, John_Mereness said: I would say you were looking at someone's earlier Rollston body grafted to a 34 Chassis given such as the 1929 style windwings and top - may be period though done in 34 (someone paid a chunk of change for the body to begin with and it was too important for them to toss to the used car lot). I guess someone could have had it built from scratch in 1934, though it would have been a chunk of change for 34 too and given popularity of a coupe convertible/Coupe-Roadster would have been better off with such as a Custom Dietrich. I think the car was sold to what I would consider one of the top prewar collections in the country. I'm leaning real based on that, with no other info. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1935Packard Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 Interesting to see that the '39 Twelve described above, which had an auction estimate of $200-$250K but went for $106K, is now being offered by a dealer with an asking price of $200K. From what I understand, Dave Mitchell did the engine, and that front chrome is correct to the car, making that $106K a screaming deal that a dealer is benefiting from. https://www.schmitt.com/inventory/1939-packard-twelve-convertible-sedan/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) On 3/22/2019 at 3:22 PM, 1935Packard said: Interesting to see that the '39 Twelve described above, which had an auction estimate of $200-$250K but went for $106K, is now being offered by a dealer with an asking price of $200K. From what I understand, Dave Mitchell did the engine, and that front chrome is correct to the car, making that $106K a screaming deal that a dealer is benefiting from. https://www.schmitt.com/inventory/1939-packard-twelve-convertible-sedan/ The dealer got a really good deal and someone should have picked it up as a tour car for CCCA Caravan. The aluminum cylinder heads are somewhat suspect/questionable (they could be reproductions, but hard to say and would have to be researched), and needs the wheels pinstripped, as well as the chrome front end being a little "brightly lit" (which I believe was an option, but not a very attractive one on most cars), but the overall deterrent probably is that as far as greens go it is not better or worse than most, but every green car we ever sold has to have some sort of discount taken on it even if the buyer loves green. Edited March 23, 2019 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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