Jerzjer

1929 Chrysler Imperial 77 VIN

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I live in California and just purchased the Chrysler Imperial 77 from out of state. California requires a VIN verification before you can register the car. From what I have read there are three VIN’s on this car. One is on the plaque on the dash, one is on a plate on the firewall in the engine compartment, and one is on the frame passenger side by the front spring mount. I do not see one on the dash plaque or the plate on the firewall. I also can not find the one on the frame. Can anyone give me any information on the location of the VIN on this car? I could also use some information on where I can get miscellaneous parts for it. 

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What number is on the out of state title?  Frame or engine serial number?

VIN's did not start until mid1950's and were not standardised, as we know them today, until mid 1980's

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Hi Jerzjer, and thank you for giving me the opportunity to welcome you to AACA ! Please post a picture of the dash plaque. The Chrysler guys will be along to help you decode it. You will come to find out how much we all here love pictures. Kinda like the lone cowboy at the cantina. Rides up, hitches hoss to post, walks up to the bar and orders drinks for all (perhaps reminiscent of Him and His Uncle, if that makes any sense to you whatsoever). Being one of your new forum friends, I submit that it is analogous to buying a round, if you were to post a couple pictures of your '29 Imperial along with the plaque shot. Sure don't have to be shy here amongst the greatest bunch of "old carsters" anywhere. To paraphrase Arlo Guthrie, you can find anything you want at Ali...... Oops, I mean AACA forums. Forgive me, I have been writing for hours, and am getting ringy, and downright silly. By way of apology here are my two oldest. 1924 and 1927 Cadillacs. Original and unrestored. I have to search long and hard to find pictures new to the group. They are patient, but the same old same old could be pushing it. Please stay with us !     -   Carl 

 

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Look up Fedco  system here or on Google.

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Just out of curiosity, is it an Imperial or is it a 77? They are two quite different animals.

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The person I purchased it from referred to it as an Imperial 77. It has a 77 on the cross bar between the head lights. The title just says Chrysler sedan. I can’t find the number on the frame or as you can see from the photos there is no number on the dash plaque or the tag on the firewall. I do know the one on the title is not the one on the engine. I’ve included some pictures of the car from all angles if anyone can tell me if it is an Imperial or a 77 that would be appreciated. Thank you for welcoming me to the club. I am looking forward to talking ang getting information from all. 

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this is the serial number of your car: C135CW, using the Chrysler FEDCO system.  #313531.

1  2  3 4 5  6 7 8 9 0

W P C H R Y S L E D

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Thank you for the information. I don’t know what the hte serial number is. I see the C1and the CW but I don’t see a 35. Can you tell me where I find the 35 so I can tell the CHP where to look for it. I put a picture of the title with the VIN number. I deleted the previous owners name because I did not know if he would want it out there. 

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Sorry, I got it wrong. It is 0 to 9 and W to D. So C135CW would be #413541. I don't know how to read a US title. Might you be looking for a tag attached to the car saying R-257-382, attached by the Boise motor vehicle reg. people?

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Thank you so much for the info.l will continue to look for the one on the frame until my 30 days is up. At least I have something to tell CHP if I can’t find it. 

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Big fine car. Very solid looking. How is the upholstery ? Presently running ? What miscellaneous parts are you looking for ? Thanks for the pictures. Makes it real ! I am sure we all like your new toy, and that most of us envy your palm trees !     -   Carl 

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Re the 77 vs Imperial thing. I see that car is a 77 which uses the largest version of the basic seven main bearing six first seen in the 1924 Chrysler.

 

The Imperial was a bigger car.

 

There were two different versions of the 77 sedan; the Crown and the Royal, although I don't know the difference.

 

There are several 77 roadsters in NZ. I don't know of any sedans but I am sure they are out there.

 

This coupe was imported from the US about ten years ago. That one has chassis C114HW.

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Here is a FEDCO number chart which shows the month and year your car was built....first column.

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Look on the outside of the frame near the rear spring on the driver's side for the stamped number. It should be over or near the rear spring's front mount. VERY hard to spot.

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The 77 is a 1930 model but some states titled cars as the year in which they were manufactured so that is why your car is listed as a 1929. I am not aware of the crown vs. Royal term, however I know that Nash had an upgrade appearance package that included sidemounts and luggage rack. This may be true with Chrysler too.

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1 hour ago, nzcarnerd said:

Re the 77 vs Imperial thing. I see that car is a 77 which uses the largest version of the basic seven main bearing six first seen in the 1924 Chrysler.

 

The Imperial was a bigger car.

 

There were two different versions of the 77 sedan; the Crown and the Royal, although I don't know the difference.

 

There are several 77 roadsters in NZ. I don't know of any sedans but I am sure they are out there.

 

This coupe was imported from the US about ten years ago. That one has chassis C114HW.

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The Crown had the parking lamps mounted high on the corners of the windshield. The Royal had the cowl mounted parking lamps The car in question has both....mmmm....confusing. The book I have says that only a very few of the last run of the Royal 77 has the vertical hood louvers. All of the other Royal 77s had the penon style hood louvers.

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I can’t believe the information I have received on just a few letters and numbers and how quickly I got it. I am having so much fun with this car. Yes it runs very well and I am amazed at the attention it gets. The interior needs to be completely done. The person I bought it from removed all of the panels and the headliner. Left the seats and windows in it so I can drive it. The good thing was he labeled every panel and I could see the wood to make sure it was all in good shape. He also put new wiring and tires on it. I don’t know if there is more information to be learned with the engine number but here it is. (W16912 ) Not sure if it is the original engine for the car. Yes it is beautiful here in Carlsbad CA. And it’s perfect for the classic car lover.

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because the engine may have been replaced and there may be no body number...........

 

you may want to buy a repro chrysler tag and stamp it to match your title- then mount on your cowl or someplace easy to find, for chips.

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The title  has the ID number starting with the letter "R" .

Engine numbers for the model 75 would start with an "R", so the car may have had the engine swaped.

Check the engine number stamped on the block on the upper left side

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So you have engine W16912. They started W1001, so you have the 15911st engine in that series.

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Can you tell me if the engine is the right one for this car? Where can I get one of the repro  chrysler  tag?

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Only that it is in the correct series. The only way to know if it is the "original" that came in the car from the factory would be if you had the build sheet.

 

Repro chrysler tag: which one? The one you show in the picture, which is screwed to the firewall? There are a number of makers. eBay even. Ask the www!

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Can you show a picture of the engine. It would be easy to tell the difference between a 75 and 77 engine.

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