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This lathe was pulled out of a barn up the road that is being restored and was earmarked for metal scrap. I am not a machinist and have no idea how to actually use this, but it was just too cool to see it go to scrap. Therefore, it is now in my garage with me wondering what I'll end up doing with it. (My wife still loves me.) To my uneducated eyes, it appears to be all there - including the books which were in a drawer with a number of other goodies. I see that it is a South Bend Lathe Works lathe that, incidently, could be purchased for $94.00, or just $24 down and monthly payments of $7, from the Osborne & Sexton Machinery Company of Columbus, Ohio.

 

Any comments or information? I'd love just to clean it up and get it running, but I have no idea if there is any kind of a market for this sort of thing.
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South Bend lathes are nice machines.  I would make it a restore project.  Once restored you can learn up on how to use it or resell it for more profit.  Soak everything with some type of solution to aid in removing rusted bolts and parts.  Good luck.

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Clean it up and get it running. You will wonder how you got along without it.

The problem that happens next is where to find a serviceable mill...

Lots of info on the net for these old lathes.

 

Jim

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My favorite YouTube machinist is "Mr Pete," a retired high school shop teacher. He has a do-it-yourself attitude. He has a number of videos on the South Bend lathe. These were the best-selling small lathes back in the 20th century, and parts are pretty common for them today. 

 

Phil

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What ;you have is a short bed version of the classic South Bend '9' lathe.  These lathes remain quite popular today due to the fact that many, like myself, first learned to use a lathe in high school machine shot on a South Bend 9.  Yours is a fairly early pre-war model but would still be a very useable unit once rebuilt.  I have  a WWII era 9, with the Navy department anchor stamped in the right hand end of the front way that still works very well.  The nice thing about these things is that there is a large following for them, even a club exists, and a good supply of new, used and replacement parts available.  The 9 is a perfect machine for the home hobbyist and many attachments are available to extend it's capabilities.  With all of that said, a machine like yours isn't an expensive piece so I'd check around for pricing before I put a large amount of money into it.  You may find a machine in good working order for less than what you would spend on fixing yours up.  The other part of all of this is coming up with the necessary tooling, which I don't see in you photos and am assuming you don't have.  You can invest some serious bucks in acquiring a good assortment of things like a complete set of collets, centers, taper attachment, center rest, etc.  Then there are the more esoteric items, like a milling head, if you really want to get deeper involved.  Good luck with  you find, have fun. 

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This is a manual gear change machine so I assume there should be some loose gears that come with it; if so, don't let them get away. The serial number??may be  found on the right side of the machine, in the bed, near the ways.

 

https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/south-bend-lathes/south-bend-9-workshop-lathe-248916/

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Minus the rust, it looks exactly like the one my Grand Father and then Father had when I was growing up.

 

They had the motor and drive assembly mounted on the wall several feet above the lathe.

 

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I've got a twin to it I need to get back in running condition, many times I wish it was up & running for some simple tasks. Thanks for all the links guys! Bob 

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Join the Practical Machinist web site... they have both an "antiques" sub-forum and a South Bend sub-forum. There are plenty of folks there who will be able to guide you. Also, get a copy of "How to Run a Lathe" - it was published by South Bend and is still the best basic work on the subject regardless of what machine you have. I know it is on the internet but it will be far more useful to get a real copy - it's cheap and readily available.

 

By the way - that doesn't look to be in bad condition at all. The lathe I run every day was far rougher when I started. But, there are things to avoid and proper ways of going about recommissioning it so it would be best to get some knowledgable advice before you start pulling things apart.

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Great winter restoration project. Get it cleaned up and purchase a drive belt and you're in business.

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What the folks said above nice machine, restore it and get it running, they have a following.  I wish I were closer to you I would try to talk you out of it.

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A relatively light duty lathe but is fine for what you will likely use it for. If your chuck is a 4 jaw that is really all you need for 99% of your jobs. If not 3 jaw chucks are readily available as is almost anything you might need. The rust looks like surface rust and even lite pitting is not a problem.

Google will be your friend. Find out all you can before simply mucking about.

Personally i dont know how one can get through life without a lathe (and mill).....bob

 

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Thanks for all the responses! I don't have ANY knowledge or experience in maching and I don't really see myself getting into it much — too many other things to learn first! This was just way to cool for scrap. Thank you for all the links, too. I will educate myself a bit before fussing with it. I've added a picture of all the "goodies" that were in the drawer of the bench it was attached to. From my quick perusal of eBay I see I do have a number of the ancillary parts. As to making money on it? Not really interested. Right now, just a free project to toy with when the weather gets warmer and I'm not working on a car. If someone comes along and really wants it, I'd sell it modestly, thus keeping it in circulation!

 

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  As related above, have a look at the PM site, and if you decide to move it on that may be the place to do it.  If you decide to learn to use it there is a learning curve.

  I think your machine is a SB 9"Junior model, if so heres a picture of mine which I got from a neighbors widow around 1976 and have used restoring and maintaining several cars. It is surprising how much I use it.

  My Junior is around 1930 production, sold originally with a 'silent chain' overhead drive, replaced somewhere in the cloudy past with present v-belt drive.

Jim

 

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You got me motivated to get my South Bend up and running! Thanks. Bob 

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6 minutes ago, JimKB1MCV said:

  As related above, have a look at the PM site, and if you decide to move it on that may be the place to do it.  If you decide to learn to use it there is a learning curve.

  I think your machine is a SB 9"Junior model, if so heres a picture of mine which I got from a neighbors widow around 1976 and have used restoring and maintaining several cars. It is surprising how much I use it.

  My Junior is around 1930 production, sold originally with a 'silent chain' overhead drive, replaced somewhere in the cloudy past with present v-belt drive.

Jim

 

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There is something that fascinates me about old machinery. Can an old tool be said to be beautiful? To see one being used is a grander thing yet.

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23 minutes ago, Bhigdog said:

A relatively light duty lathe but is fine for what you will likely use it for. If your chuck is a 4 jaw that is really all you need for 99% of your jobs. If not 3 jaw chucks are readily available as is almost anything you might need. The rust looks like surface rust and even lite pitting is not a problem.

Google will be your friend. Find out all you can before simply mucking about.

Personally i dont know how one can get through life without a lathe (and mill).....bob

 

 

All of this is spot-on, especially the last line.

 

Some of the necessary goodies are there in the drawer.

 

These lathes are much sought after in Aus, and normally sell for $700- $1,000 if they are complete. I have an Australian copy of the later 9" South Bend, known here as a Hercus model A. A bit light for some jobs, but indispensable for small work. In the last few days it has given me a new set of bronze bushes for leaf springs, a seat insert for a carb float needle, and several other small pieces. Just the thing for making metric bits for the 2CV. Have fun with it.

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4 minutes ago, Bush Mechanic said:

These lathes are much sought after in Aus, and normally sell for $700- $1,000 if they are complete. I have an Australian copy of the later 9" South Bend, known here as a Hercus model A. A bit light for some jobs, but indispensable for small work. In the last few days it has given me a new set of bronze bushes for leaf springs, a seat insert for a carb float needle, and several other small pieces. Just the thing for making metric bits for the 2CV. Have fun with it.

 

Hmm. Since I just happen to own a 1956 2cv van, your comment brought a smile!

 

...or was your comment because you already knew I had one? :)

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I do remember that you are the proud owner of the deux chevaux van. I have an incurable soft spot for them, as well.

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Those loose gears in the photo of the drawer are VERY important. Your lathe doesn't have a quick-change gearbox. The gears are needed to cut threads. The chart you posted a photo of will tell you what combinations of gears are used for each thread.

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